The 1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick Video

MrKap wrote:This is not my field of expertise, however, would the mailing of the body parts to parliament match the psychological profile of the individual?

I think so, yes.
There is an account by a family member in the news that hint that he thinks he is smarter than anybody. He also thinks he can disappear and wrote a blog how to do it. So my guess is that he is so sure of himself that he thinks he could take the risk of being found out a little earlier. Putting the torso in the garbage in his own backyard also suggests that he had planned his exit. It was pretty reckless, and it backfired since the garbage was not taken that week.

MrKap wrote:He might have very well have been able to escape the attention of the authorities if items were not mailed to parliament. However, it could have also been an attempt to amplify or promote the crime.

It was actually because the garbage was not collected that he was found this soon. What he mailed did not directly link back to him. So I guess it was done for the shock value, and it worked.

MrKap wrote:I have to wonder if there was an accomplice, who might have mailed the body parts out, or helped with the filming.

Assuming the movie is about this crime,
it would make sense that someone else was filming and did the editing. It takes awhile to edit a movie and post it. Not the type of thing you do while on the run. I did not see the movie, so I cannot comment. If it is just the film with no cuts with some music added, it can be done fast. If you start cutting and a lot of editing, it seems more likely someone else did it.

He traveled a lot and is part of an underground, so it is quite possible that he has friends and resources to some degree. This might explain why he thinks he can hide for the rest of his life. I am sure he must have thought about that. It was a premeditated crime.

MrKap wrote:Would a narcissist want to deliver dismembered body parts to parliament? I mean did they really want to get caught, or is this crime a glimpse into a larger underworld where these acts are niche market hobbies of sorts?

I think the second possibility is very likely true. Narcissists want to be seen as the best at what they do and like the attention. It needed to be more than just another crime. Even the video would not be enough to gather much attention these days. There is some humor in sending a foot to one party, and a hand to the other party.

MrKap wrote:It is more like a question. I am having difficulty understanding the motive behind crafting such a film, and altering federal authorities in the process. Would mailing the body parts to a high school, or a news station, or even hiding them in well travelled public venue make more sense?

The federal authorities would be alerted anyway. He can make a lot of money in the future because he now has a reputation. Whatever scheme he is planning. Maybe he is recycling from porn to snuff.

It is still unclear about the video. It seems now confirmed that the video was on TOR before the 25th. So either the date of the murder happened before the 24th-25th, or it is not a video of that body. Either way, there is a contradiction in what the police says.

Demon wrote:Feeling empathy won't save anyone, so why feel it at all?

I'm not saying one has to act on a sense of empathy, it's just a defining difference with this particular video, that it seems so cold, or dissociated from any sense of humanity. The Ukraine Kids with The Hammner, there was giggling and a clearly live subject, so it's easier to connect with human feelings or emotions.

This one, with the sound track, the editing, and the focus on the acts of doing disturbing things, with the obvious missing elements, like the murder itself, removes any sense of humanity, or human emotion. It's is very objectified, rather than subjective. The shots are of conceptually twisted or sick acts. The only attempt to show any sense of story line, is with the opening shot showing the live person, and I have to wonder if the director questioned whether or not they even needed it shown, except for the possibility without it being shown it might be totally unrecognizable as a real human being. I am just not sure.

I think that's why I've had such a difficulty determining whether it is a real movie or a fake. Anyways.

Demon wrote:I would be very surprised if another video does not make an appearance before he's caught.

I would be surprised if he doesn't get burned right away. I'm convinced someone either mailed the body parts to put the federal authorities on him, or he just made a really dumb move, not knowing it.

See how flippant they are with the word.....
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/30/luka-rocco-magnotta-1-lunatic-1-ice-pick/

Mr. No One wrote:See how flippant they are with the word.....

Fake?
They do make good points, like the lack of blood from cuts and the decapitation. Could be because the body got drained from blood when he cut the throat though, which did seem bloodier than the rest of the body. And the actual kill could have been made elsewhere making it easier to clean up afterwards. :­P

No the word "psychopath." Lol

Obsidian wrote:They do make good points, like the lack of blood from cuts and the decapitation. Could be because the body got drained from blood when he cut the throat though, which did seem bloodier than the rest of the body. And the actual kill could have been made elsewhere making it easier to clean up afterwards. :­P

Once a body has been drained of blood, it will not bleed much from stab wounds or cuts. The victim had his throat slit prior to being stabbed with the ice pick, thus the reason his wounds barely bled.

It looked to me as though he was killed on the bed, even though we didn't actually see the murder take place (which is disappointing).

Mr. No One wrote:No the word "psychopath." Lol

Oh, that was what I thought you meant before I accidentally missed the headline and jumped straight to the article. :­P

-- Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:29 am --

Demon wrote:

Obsidian wrote:They do make good points, like the lack of blood from cuts and the decapitation. Could be because the body got drained from blood when he cut the throat though, which did seem bloodier than the rest of the body. And the actual kill could have been made elsewhere making it easier to clean up afterwards. :­P

Once a body has been drained of blood, it will not bleed much from stab wounds or cuts. The victim had his throat slit prior to being stabbed with the ice pick, thus the reason his wounds barely bled.

Thanks for rephrasing? :­P

Mr. No One wrote:See how flippant they are with the word.....

The word is almost irrelevant today. It's used so broadly and inaccurately that it no longer holds any genuine meaning; rather a catch-all for someone who acts in a way that is grossly removed from normal thinking.

It reminds me of the word "Spastic". The Spastic Society was formed in the 50's in the UK but had to be changed to "Mind" later on; the word Spastic had been turned by incorrect use into a derogatory word for anyone who appeared sub-normal or retarded.

justonemoreperson wrote:rather a catch-all for someone who acts in a way that is grossly removed from normal thinking.

Well, the word is translated to diseased mind or something like that. :­P

well if the police are confirming that it's actually the murder scene, it reasonably difficult to argue with, but I'll try anyways.

The opening shot of the victim, compared to the closing shots shows a definite difference in the amount of muscle tone in the chest area. It could be due to some sort of rigamortis, or it could be due to the arms being outstretched in one scene and not the other. It could just be the differences in lighting as well.

The point being, it doesn't match. Doesn't mean it's real or fake though.

The head while on the body is blood stained and dirty, while in later shots, fully decapitated, it's clean.

The dog, which I cannot for the life of me determine the breed, actually uses it's paw for leverage, which is awkward. I've never seen a dog do that, which makes me think it's a puppet. Although at some point in the video there is dog barking in the background.

Right around the dog scene, there is a sneeze in the background, which might not be coming from behind the camera, but off to the side. If the camera operator sneezes, the camera does not shake. It could mean it's on a tripod. Maybe, maybe not.

Who is to say it isn't some form of latex? It's thick in some places