AsPD and Autism

~OK, i have no dxes, so not sure the exact details of "what i am" but i have traits and seem to be some sort of cluster B.

I did my best to answer honestly and this was my over all score:

Your score: 12

11 - 22 = average (most women score about 15 and most men score about 17)

ok i did the long one too, i reckon it would be interesting to see Cluster B people's results on the long one in particular:

http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

Your Aspie score: 69 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 134 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical

Talent:_________NT: 6____AS: 2
Compulsive:____NT: 3.5___AS: 1.5
Social:_________NT: 6____AS: 7.5
Communication:_NT: 6____AS: 2
Hunting:_______NT: 8____AS: 2.5
Perception:_____NT: 8____AS: 2.5

(off the chart it came up with)

rdos.net wrote:"Aspie Social"

This group contain Aspie social traits. Important traits are a highly variable activity level with higher than normal motivation threshold. Other traits include atypical relationship & courtship preferences (partner obsessions; not giving up on relationships; preference for friends of the opposite gender) and sexual preferences. Unusual eating and sleeping patterns as well as having a hard time with authorities and social hierarchy are other traits.

A lot of that's me. lol

rdos.net wrote:"A high score on Aspie social is related to ADD/ADHD, Bipolar, and ODD."

- Interesting, cause this is where i score high - but also score quite high on NT in the same category.

btw, what's the ODD - "oppositional defiant disorder" ? - if so potentially relevant to the forum. ?

Actually just thought id add taking that was an interesting eye opener for me - cause i always get pissed off when people try to suggest anything autistic spectrum - i can read non-verbal signals, am good with both sport and precision stuff... but its interesting to score high in that one area at least does explain why.

I also noticed in my family (new not original), while there is no outward conflict, there is a tendency to ignore non verbal signals, and people push things at each other and invade each others' personal boundaries, not even trying to interpret what the other person wants.

the other thing that i notice is that while i have not had much of a tendency to attach to most people OR (any) objects, i do attach to places and/or experiences a lot.

So i at least found that pretty interesting...

...anyone else fancy giving it a go ?

Iniquity wrote:Here's a link to the Autism test. My own results are displayed below the test link:

http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/AutismS ... tient.aspx

Well, there are a few things I noticed:
1) A lot of the questions are not specific to autism, just to introversion-extraversion. This means that anyone introverted enough will get at least a moderately visible score.

2) another issue is that there is no "middle" answer or "I don't know/not sure/depends" answer. So in the majority of cases, the difference between "slightly agree" and "slightly disagree" was entirely random in my case.

Having said that, i scored 13 with the average female score being 15. Seems I'm in no way autism-asperger minded (no suprise there).

Oh I' alo sonsider myself to be a Willard/Cleckley/Hare-style sptychopath, not an AsPD.

From a personal perspective, I always find autism and schizotypal PD as "weird". With most PDs i can see a pattern i recognize and understand (even if I don't have such traits or patterns myself). Autism and Schizotypal aredifferent, I see "no rythm or rhyme" in them.

I am also without a dx, but decided to give it a go anyway.
On the test in the OP I scored a 13 with the average for females being 15 or something.

Also, the results for the long test that another user posted are..

Your Aspie score: 36 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 163 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical

"Actually just thought id add taking that was an interesting eye opener for me - cause i always get pissed off when people try to suggest anything autistic spectrum - i can read non-verbal signals, am good with both sport and precision stuff... but its interesting to score high in that one area at least does explain why."


i have aspergers and have no serious problems with social interraction anymore, and i was one of the top athletes in my country for almost 10 years.

problems with facial recognition, body language, social do's and dont's and effective empathy tend to change with age - the attention to detail on a persons' face means that with a little education (either from real life or books etc), aspies can become more proficient at reading non-verbal signs than neurotypicals are, because the aspie is actively looking for and processing them in real time whereas NT's do it subconciously. my major problem comes from responding "properly" to such signs, because honestly, i don't care enough most of the time to indulge social games and feel like any response (other than the one that will get me frowned at), is being fake. (incase y'all were wonderin'.)

as far as drawing comparisons goes: disregard for authority and contentment with ones' own company are likely big reasons why people can draw connections between aspd and asd, especially in a test.

Thank you One, she is a very sweet and caring child to anyone who takes the time to get to know her. I don't home school as my patience aren't good enough for that lol Kudos to you for being able to do it.

Sabratha wrote:
From a personal perspective, I always find autism and schizotypal PD as "weird". With most PDs i can see a pattern i recognize and understand (even if I don't have such traits or patterns myself). Autism and Schizotypal aredifferent, I see "no rythm or rhyme" in them.

are you talking about identifiable traits and personality types? i find this curious, i can spot them in other aspies particularly well, and enough in narcissistic personalities to keep wary, but i just don't pay attention to the average person enough to ever pick up on anything particular.

Tempest80 wrote:I can't see how anyone could have both, but I can see how autism could be mistaken for AsPD as they don't often show their emotions.

There are some major differences between Autism and AsPD (I actually had the Psychopathy Checklist in mind when I initially created this thread, as well as Antisocial Personality Disorder as mentioned in the DSM IV), so I can see how it would be possible to have both and still score high for both. I was initially wondering though if the two could overlap to some mild degree or have some type of connection. With that said, I believe that having both is certainly possible.

The traits I currently exhibit from the PCL-R are:

Glibness/superficial charm
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callousness; lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic long-term goals

In the past I've also had: Many short-term marital relationships, Criminal Versatility, and Sexual promiscuity.

And my current traits from AsPD as mentioned in the DSM IV are:

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

- irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
- lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

(As you can see, I'm not a Psychopath nor do I have enough of the DSM IV traits to be considered Antisocial any longer. I am... well, mildly sociopathic I guess you could say)

Given the results from others that I've received in this thread so far, I can see now that there doesn't appear to be a connection between Autism and AsPD, Sociopathy or Psychopathy for that matter.

Sabratha wrote:1) A lot of the questions are not specific to autism, just to introversion-extraversion. This means that anyone introverted enough will get at least a moderately visible score.

Yes, I noticed in various aspergers tests, introversion, anxiety, especially social anxiety, OCD could all raise a person's score falsely. Which makes it even more tricky if a person has any of those things as well as AS. I think that's why they ask at the beginning of the long test.

Sabratha wrote:From a personal perspective, I always find autism and schizotypal PD as "weird". With most PDs i can see a pattern i recognize and understand (even if I don't have such traits or patterns myself). Autism and Schizotypal aredifferent, I see "no rythm or rhyme" in them.

In what way do you find they don't make sense?

Twist wrote:i have aspergers and have no serious problems with social interraction anymore, and i was one of the top athletes in my country for almost 10 years.

problems with facial recognition, body language, social do's and dont's and effective empathy tend to change with age - the attention to detail on a persons' face means that with a little education (either from real life or books etc), aspies can become more proficient at reading non-verbal signs than neurotypicals are, because the aspie is actively looking for and processing them in real time whereas NT's do it subconciously. my major problem comes from responding "properly" to such signs, because honestly, i don't care enough most of the time to indulge social games and feel like any response (other than the one that will get me frowned at), is being fake. (incase y'all were wonderin'.)

I could see how learning and being better at it could makes sense if you do it consciously. In some ways, maybe its just that people with AS need to learn to recognise things in a way that works better with systemising...? In the same sort of way i would say I'd think it would be possible for people with AsPD (if they want to,) to be more mindful of what they're doing and try to attach feelings to situations where they don't automatically feel them.

I don't see why not wanting to indulge social games has to be a problem if you explain that you have AS people should understand ? Not everyone has anything against straightforwardness.

Twist wrote:as far as drawing comparisons goes: disregard for authority and contentment with ones' own company are likely big reasons why people can draw connections between aspd and asd, especially in a test.

well, i can only really tick the 1st one cause i actually hate being alone too much of the time, even though i don't get attached to most people around me. weird, i know.

katana wrote:http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

Your Aspie score: 95 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 98 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits