What Makes You an Antisocial?

What is it that makes you Antisocial?
My diagnosis I guess, which I was given to me because of my disinhibition, immoral thinking patterns, criminal behavior, and manipulative interacting style

How long have you been Antisocial for?
I had traits of it and general PD problems all my life, but as for ASPD, I believe I've had it since I was 14, that's when it became a diagnosable disorder for me

What do you think made you Antisocial in the first place?
Very negative environment growing up with abusive and neglectful family members, combined with lifelong impulsivity and constant negative emotionality

Which of the personality traits/behavioral characteristics are currently having the most impact on your life?
All the traits related to disinhibition (impulsivity, recklessness, and irresponsibility). Together they have made my entire life a chaotic, unstable mess where I just live in the moment each and every day.

What is it that makes you an Antisocial?

My crimes, I have a very diverse criminal record. But I am also antisocial in the way I interact with people... or I can be very antisocial.

How long have you been Antisocial for?

Apparently since I was 2 years old, or always.

What do you think made you Antisocial in the first place?

I think there are two factors. One is genetics in conjunction with cultural norms. The other has to do with my upbringing and some unfortunate circumstances.

In fact, I think a lot of psychopaths who develop AsPD do so because of circumstances in our upbringing. I'm researching this subject at present and have published a few articles about my own childhood and youth as a start. You're welcome to stop by and take a look.

and last but not least,
Which of the personality traits/behavoural characteristics are currently having the most impact on your life?

Which of the Factor 2 traits, or of all traits?

I'll answer about the Factor 2 traits:

Impulsiveness and need for stimulation are probably the two traits that have the most impact on my life at present. I do struggle a lot with lack of stimulation at present. I am apparently one of those who don't really mellow... at least not to the degree that seems to be the common pattern. The one thing that has changed is my ability to stay out of criminal activity. I've been crime-free for almost 3 years - or 13, if you count ten years in prison prior to that.

Zhawq wrote:Impulsiveness and need for stimulation are probably the two traits that have the most impact on my life at present. I do struggle a lot with lack of stimulation at present. I am apparently one of those who don't really mellow... at least not to the degree that seems to be the common pattern. The one thing that has changed is my ability to stay out of criminal activity. I've been crime-free for almost 3 years - or 13, if you count ten years in prison prior to that.

I struggle with boredom as well, it's really annoying and makes you almost want to do the first impulsive thought that enters your mind, whether it is criminal or not to get rid of it, or atleast that's what happens to me

Also, 10 years in prison? That must of sucked balls.

Iniquity wrote:So, anyway, with all that said I have several questions for those of you who have been diagnosed with AsPD or strongly suspect you have the personality disorder:

What is it that makes you an Antisocial?
How long have you been Antisocial for?
What do you think made you Antisocial in the first place?
and last but not least,
Which of the personality traits/behavoural characteristics are currently having the most impact on your life?

(If a similar thread has been created in the past on this topic, answer this one anyway. People change with time, so who knows, maybe your answers will be different this time around)

I was told at 14 that I fit the criteria for Dissocial at 14, but these are the criteria for the Dissocial diagnosis for which I'd need three to be diagnosed.

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
5. Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
6. Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
7. Persistent irritability.

My difficulty with relationships is the one that most affects my life, together with the constant frustration I feel but I'm used to that...

These are the DSM-IV criteria I'd need at least three of to meet an Antisocial diagnosis in America.

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

I'd fulfill all seven of them to some degree if it wasn't for the qualigying statements like "as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults".

I've felt different ever since I was a little kid watching from the side, so I'm pretty sure its genetic IMO.

What is it that makes you an Antisocial? I really don't know. I just don't feel like a human being - sometimes I do feel something but usually it's just blank. I do not want to be diagnosed with ASPD because it will hinder many career choices for me. As a child, if I didn't get my way I would literally fight my way into getting it including nearly killing my mother and brother. I didn't care much for anyone else other than they should leave me the hell alone. Don't get me wrong, I could be charming and cute, a bit shy but always positive when in the company of strangers, school teachers and doctors. My mother and brother knew that I was playing the false good girl thing in school and elsewhere. My mother always told me to keep up appearances for the public. So I did. I was violent, abusive and vicious toward my family for many years. I would see my mother cry and I would not feel anything. I didn't care. I still see her cry or talk to her on the phone when she's crying and I feel very annoyed that she is crying. I don't understand it. It's pointless to me.

Anyway, I went off to college and I realized that so much can be gained from a charismatic, charming and polite person. Devoted and loyal to friends, being there for them....etc....I do this to maintain an image. I'm simple . I want free food, drinks, admiration and so on. I don't want a relationship with anyone and have tried it once. Failed miserably and it just pissed me off that I didn't get anything out of it other than souring my reputation. I simply got annoyed that they wanted to be close and emotional. That's too much work for me. I hate that. Besides, I like to have sex with women who are either strangers or acquaintances. I don't like men because they expect, in the end, to get married and fall in love. Blah blah blah. In the lesbian world - relationships rarely last long and usually it's just random hookups.

Men and women alike think I'm a great catch. I'm highly attractive, intelligent, funny, bad ass and going places. Who wouldn't want to bring me home. If in the future I see a worthy individual, namely a large bank account, I will marry them. I will fake love to get that money. So far, that hasn't been a priority since I'm "leeching" off the parents. But one day, I may have to embark on learning how to imitate romantic love if it means money. I don't want to work to hard for money. I always find a way to get it, illegally at times. I want a job that allows me to have power. I love power more than anything else. Money brings lots of power and if I have a job that brings that as well, I'll be content. I like to dominate. In fact, I love it.

I have broken the law on many counts, many many times. But I have never been arrested. I know what to do in order not to get caught. The last time I was caught for wrongdoing, it is was due to sheer impulsiveness, I stole a magazine in 8th grade from another student. They saw me on the cameras. I played the "I'm so sorry, I won't do it again." I was so angry they wanted to press charges....for stupid magazine! From then on, I was far more careful. Committed burglary, vandalism, thievery, assault, battery, cruelty to animals and arson. Most of that had occurred in my teenage years. There are a few times where I nick a few things here and there for the thrill. I channel my urges through discussing it with my best friend who is quite like me. We keep each other in check because neither of us want to go to jail. He is the only one I really trust with all my secret desires and feelings (or lack thereof) because he is like me. Quite a rarity for two of the same issues to find one another. We often hunt deer and boar together to ease our frustrations and needs. It is legal and a fine free meal.

I try to smile at everyone and everything. Be witty and funny. I have garnered quite the following and group of friends who would do anything for me. I like having that power. LIttle do they know I don't care if a single one of them got hurt or died. I had a friend very recently was in the hospital for a few days. I naturally went to go see her, brought her food and stayed there for a few hours each day. I really didn't care about how sick she was or what hell was causing her pain. I secretly laughed at another friend who cried at her bedside. I thought it was foolish to cry over something that you cannot control. But appearances are everything. I was a good friend. When she got out, she continued to give me free drinks at her place of work, and made a Facebook update on how wonderful of a person I am for being there for her. She didn't realize that she was doing exactly what I wanted her to. Public displays of approval go a long way in getting someone to trust you.

How long have you been Antisocial for? Probably since birth. Had a extraordinary childhood. Got everything I ever wanted but it was never enough. It's never enough.

What do you think made you Antisocial in the first place? Genes mostly. My grandfather, his brother and his son are all suspected psychopaths. My brother is hands down a Narcissist. The commonality here is nurturing due to the family presence and the family's genes as well. Perfect combo package.

Which of the personality traits/behavoural characteristics are currently having the most impact on your life? Irresponsibility - have lots of debts that I got my father and mother to pay for.

Impulsiveness - spend money that's not mine, stealing on whim, recklessness in many things including sexual promiscuity.

Irritability - If I don't like something or something someone said even if it's a "close" or "best friend" I get very irritated at even the smallest of inconveniences. I want to rip their heads off just to shut them up. But I try to hide it to maintain that image. After all, these people are going to get me jobs, recommendations and "hook ups" to the places I want to be in a few years. I have hit a few snags to due the irresponsibility parts but I've always drummed up some excuse - appeal to their emotions and sympathy. It usual works wonders when I fail to do something.

I love it when someone is pitying me. I don't know why but I do. A few people have suspected I have this or traits of it but they can't believe it when I turn the charm on. A friend the other day heard my tone of voice and asked me if I was angry at him. I lied and said I was very tired. He believed it. He didn't know that I envisioned slamming his head into the brick wall for annoying me.

I don't know. The psychiatrist said I displayed some traits of ASPD but I never told her everything or the whole truth. She just stuck me on antidepressants which have made me far more empty feeling than anything but less impulsive to a degree. Maybe I'm just insane. Who knows. I just want it my way. It feels good to express this on here. What do you guys think? My curiosity is peaking now.....

I'm not diagnosed anti-social, as they're hesitant to diagnose me with it as I also have BPD. But I have "anti-social traits". Constantly bored, extremely impulsive, I enjoy breaking the law (and have done so on many occasions...many being an understatement), manipulative, lack of remorse and sometimes empathy (although I do empathise with people I care for quite a bit), irritability and sadism. Not many I guess... But enough to get "anti-social traits" stamped onto me...

Chaudement you sound plenty antisocial to me. Especially breaking laws all the time, that's a dead giveaway.

ajrocker8 wrote:Chaudement you sound plenty antisocial to me. Especially breaking laws all the time, that's a dead giveaway.

Breaking the law alone is not a dead giveaway. There has to be other contributing factors that determine a full diagnosis. Even some non-antisocials have been known to break the law on a regular basis.

It's funny, I still fit the full critieria for Dissocial Personality Disorder, but not for Antisocial Personality Disorder anymore. I am assuming that is because AsPD appears to be based more on behavioural characteristics. I suppose it doesn't really matter either way in the end. The label doesn't define the person. Better to have no label than to have one at all.

Dissocial Personality Disorder:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
5. Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
6. Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
7. Persistent irritability.


Antisocial Personality Disorder:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

OP;
The part of me that the medications can't fix. They are what make me an anti-social.