Ways of Controlling Murderous Rage, Urges and Impules

KenWalker wrote:What I do mention that separates normals is that they're capable of feeling reward when they see, for example, a life saved by someone else that they weren't responsible for. They feel the good of humanity.

Ken is right. The satisfaction of accomplishment, the narcissistic pride that comes from public recognition, and the sense of relief that comes from seeing a wrong made right may often occur together, but they are not all the same. In a discussion about morality some weeks ago, I told someone what I wanted most for humanity, and I made it clear that I didn't care whose accomplishment brought this about, as long as it was done. While I imagine it would hurt my ego at least a little if, for example, I were a pathologist who worked with another pathologist to end a terrible epidemic, and the other received all the credit even though I did most of the work, and I would feel cheated if he claimed my work as his own (in the same way I would feel cheated if he hired me to work for him and then refused to pay what he promised me), I think my pain in either of those scenarios would be insignificant compared to my relief at the end of the epidemic. I would feel relieved and grateful even if it were not my accomplishment at all.

If antisocial persons never feel this relief, that may be why so many seek to dominate and control others. It may be the only type of antisocial experience comparable to the prosocial experience of witnessing the triumph of humanity over a terrible disease.

On that note, Twinkling, I wonder...

If there was some viral outbreak and it caused people to suffer immense pain, flop over, and die... not all people would die, but maybe half, and you had the cure. You had a vile of some kind of antidote that you could either secretly drink yourself or pour into the water supply, saving humanity. No recognition either way, what would you do? Would you save people, or would you drink the liquid and watch people suffer and die?

And, for the prosocial people, where this is an easy cut-and-dry question, what if you were already infected, and by pouring it into the water supply, you were sacrificing your own life?

fiveintime wrote:And, for the prosocial people, where this is an easy cut-and-dry question, what if you were already infected, and by pouring it into the water supply, you were sacrificing your own life?

I like to think I would have the courage to do it, but it's hard to imagine. If I actually were in that situation, I might turn cowardly and keep the cure for myself. Is this the part where you tell me psychopaths are superior because they aren't afraid to die?

Edit: [nerd]If the antidote is that pure and potent, I should be able to keep a little for myself, or at least only let one person die instead of me,[/nerd] but meh.

Twinkling_Butterfly wrote:If the antidote is that pure and potent, I should be able to keep a little for myself, or at least only let one person die instead of me

You can't. It's an axiom of the question. Stop nerding out.

Twinkling_Butterfly wrote:Is this the part where you tell me psychopaths are superior because they aren't afraid to die?

No. I was thinking the psychopaths would drink the antidote and watch people suffer and die.

fivintime wrote:

Twinkling_Butterfly wrote:Is this the part where you tell me psychopaths are superior because they aren't afraid to die?

No. I was thinking the psychopaths would drink the antidote and watch people suffer and die.

A prosocial might too. People change when death presents itself. When they're suffering under a lot of trauma they might not be normal anymore.

That made me wonder right now if an ASPD's sense of self-preservation is stronger than an NPD's.

For ASPDS and NPD's, imagine you appear in front of a terminal that controls the entire fate of the universe. You accidently hit a key that activates the universe's self-destruct sequence. The terminal locks itself and a timer appears to be running down on the screen. There is no key to reverse the sequence now. You hold the only transporter that will teleport you to safety while the entire universe vaporizes.

You have one of three options.

1) Use the transporter to teleport into a safe zone when the universe implodes. You will have enough food and water to survive the rest of your life in an otherwise vast nothingness.

2) Give the transporter to someone else.

3) Do nothing.

I don't know... vast nothingness sounds pretty f*cking boring. I'm not religious, but I might go for death... ya know, just to check. Of course, I might be curious about vast nothingness with food and water too. *shrug* Toss a coin.

KenWalker wrote:For ASPDS and NPD's, imagine you appear in front of a terminal that controls the entire fate of the universe. You accidently hit a key that activates the universe's self-destruct sequence. The terminal locks itself and a timer appears to be running down on the screen. There is no key to reverse the sequence now. You hold the only transporter that will teleport you to safety while the entire universe vaporizes.

You have one of three options.

1) Use the transporter to teleport into a safe zone when the universe implodes. You will have enough food and water to survive the rest of your life in an otherwise vast nothingness.

2) Give the transporter to someone else.

3) Do nothing.

I would choose option 1, but that's just the narcissist and schizoid in me. The antisocial me doesn't give a shlt and will likely do nothing in the end just to watch the world implode. The antisocial me is self-destructive.

KenWalker wrote:You have one of three options.

1) Use the transporter to teleport into a safe zone when the universe implodes. You will have enough food and water to survive the rest of your life in an otherwise vast nothingness.

2) Give the transporter to someone else.

3) Do nothing.

What is the point of option 2? I honestly don't see why anyone would choose that. By the way, I'd choose option 1. I can try living in the vast nothingness and choose to die whenever I want to. I like that I still have control in this situation.

KenWalker wrote: You will have enough food and water to survive the rest of your life in an otherwise vast nothingness.

2) Give the transporter to someone else.

3) Do nothing.

Depends on the quality & variety of the food