Questions that only a sociopath / borderline could answer...

To the OP - Her behaviour indicates psychosis, hence the borderline/bipolar diagnoses. Unless she feigns the guilt, it is highly unlikely that she has ASPD. I have the impression that the reason she "would then turn on them like a viper" is because of her inability to deal with the guilt. The psychotic mindset is a completely different one, and it might be hard for her later to accept she has done the things that she did.

ASPD and BPD can be comorbid but it's really rare and most psychologists would never diagnose that.

ASPD and BPD can be comorbid, but not in the way OP described. It is against the definition of ASPD to feel guilt.

Belladonna wrote:It is against the definition of ASPD to feel guilt.

This is not entirely correct as you only need a handful of the criterias listed to be labeled ASPD.

Almost everyone in prison is considered to have ASPD, fun fact. The excluded few would be the ones who are actually innocent.

A normal person feels bad about stealing because stealing is illegal and thus "wrong". A psychopath feels bad about getting caught for stealing because it's inconvenient and costly.

But what is "wrong" in one society is not wrong in another. Therefore one cannot argue, outside of a religious framework, that one particular moral or law should cause a person to be all bent out of shape if they break it. A law that is made by a group of people may or may not be valid -- for instance, if you want two wives in America the cost could be jail or losing your job - while taking two wives in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would be a sign of religious devotion and even generosity. So to me, if my wife suddenly asked me to become a polygamist I would not consider the law if I knew I could carry out the lifestyle secretly. Legislators don't care about me personally so I do not care, beyond the coersive powers of the state, what they say I should do. The sign of intelligence would be getting away with it and having happiness in my life.

Once my wife and I were nude sunbathing at a beach that was fairly isolated. Then some fishermen and their sons came by. I could here them mumble something about people having no shame, or something like that, but it did not bother me in the least - in fact I can still laugh at THEIR embarassment. Now if a policeman had come down and ticketed us that would have made me furious, but oh well, nothing negative happened. Besides, laws on public nudity are based on what someone came up with years ago in reference to their hangups on the body. I find it odd that most people still just follow these views because "society" says they should.

Of course, if people do something to hurt others then that is wrong and should be punished

Mike777 wrote:

A normal person feels bad about stealing because stealing is illegal and thus "wrong". A psychopath feels bad about getting caught for stealing because it's inconvenient and costly.

But what is "wrong" in one society is not wrong in another. Therefore one cannot argue, outside of a religious framework, that one particular moral or law should cause a person to be all bent out of shape if they break it. A law that is made by a group of people may or may not be valid -- for instance, if you want two wives in America the cost could be jail or losing your job - while taking two wives in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would be a sign of religious devotion and even generosity. So to me, if my wife suddenly asked me to become a polygamist I would not consider the law if I knew I could carry out the lifestyle secretly. Legislators don't care about me personally so I do not care, beyond the coersive powers of the state, what they say I should do. The sign of intelligence would be getting away with it and having happiness in my life.

Once my wife and I were nude sunbathing at a beach that was fairly isolated. Then some fishermen and their sons came by. I could here them mumble something about people having no shame, or something like that, but it did not bother me in the least - in fact I can still laugh at THEIR embarassment. Now if a policeman had come down and ticketed us that would have made me furious, but oh well, nothing negative happened. Besides, laws on public nudity are based on what someone came up with years ago in reference to their hangups on the body. I find it odd that most people still just follow these views because "society" says they should.

Of course, if people do something to hurt others then that is wrong and should be punished

If you live in a country with a strict moral code such as America (Assuming you do considering you reference middle eastern countries as your "WELL LOOK AT THEM") you are restrained by THOSE morals, not the middle east's. Go break a law, and see how long you last claiming; "Well, in the middle east it's alright!". They'll give you a swift kick in the rear, and fly you off to some desert. Arguing about morals that do not apply to you, because you do not live there, is just as pointless as trying to determine a single "Good and bad".

P.S LOLWTF @ your last statement, blatant contradictions to the above 2 paragraphs are fun?

No, there is no contradiction in the least. If someone hurt one of my kids I would make sure they paid dearly. If I came home and some guy was in teh process of raping my wife I would blow his head off. Anyone can see that society needs to have punishment for those who can hurt others -- that is all part of the social contract that Locke spoke of. Even Hobbes pointed out that all men are equal since they can kill each other. So yes, crimes that can threaten one's self, or their family, should come with harsh punishments (a few public hangings would be appropriate -- at least for the entertainment value if nothing else -- and have a van sitting there like the Chinese do so they can harvest the organs once the guy stops kicking).

Other crimes that don't fit in the category of threatening others lives are open to interpretation in my opinion.

And Sunlight, why can't a person examine the lifestyles of other nations and either accept or reject those of their own? Why should a man who has two women who would be willing to marry him (polygamy) feel bad for marrying them - especially if he is Muslim or fundamentalist Mormon? Who says the laws against such actions in the USA are valid to be followed in the first place?

The fact that you go to jail if you decide to believe in "their" morals dictates what you can and can't believe. By all means, go for it, just don't be surprised when you end up on the cushion end of Friendly ol' "Big Bob". But sitting behind your safe computer screen spouting out that amount of $#%^... Not my cupcake, if you get my drift.

But what is "wrong" in one society is not wrong in another. Therefore one cannot argue, outside of a religious framework, that one particular moral or law should cause a person to be all bent out of shape if they break it.

Of course, if people do something to hurt others then that is wrong and should be punished

No, there is no contradiction in the least.

Please tell me you can see this...

Stop being such a spoiled little American and be bloody thankful for what you have, you wouldn't even be aware of what Pakistan was like if you hadn't been GIVEN the information for free, via your "Oh so terrible" country.

Hey, I am thankful that I live in a country that one can have a minimal amount of control over one's life -- yet I do not worship the USA...it is just good to have a nation that tends to allow more freedom than others (Social Contract -- John Locke).

As for the idea that we get all kinds of wonderful information for free, I would dispute that. I would suggest a glance at Edward Bernays classic work "Propaganda." Most of what you get on NBC, CBS, or ABC is propaganda designed to sooth the masses as well as sell hemoroidal creams and cars. The more one examines the motives of the elite that control this country the less they seem any better than any other nation. We are just fortunant to have had founders who recognized that power corrupts people and you have to have checks and balances to protect the people from the psychopaths who come to power who would suck you dry like a group of vampires if given half a chance.

Guess you can't see what i pointed out. You've completely abandoned your point now, and are just ranting on about propaganda. Go to Pakistan, i'm sure they'll love ya there. Without the freedoms you so quickly knock down, you'd be shot on the spot. Remember that.

Do i sense a little hostility towards psychopaths (and America?)

Indeed, Mike, in some polygamy-endorsing Muslim societies if your child happened to break the law by stealing a bag of sweets, chances are h/she would be punished by cutting his/her hands off. Now that would hurt.