question please?

hey fomori, hi there, amm when i said my apologizes both of you, i meant havok and your persona, i had no reason to apology to Irish Girl, i haven't been in the forum quite a while and nobody seems to post in the schyzotypal forum *sigh* anyway. So yep,when i said BOTH of you i mean havok and you, fomori. i really don't know what's APD, but it surely has a very bad reputation to my sight, then again i havent read too much about it. amm i didnt read all of the discussion, but i guess people defending themselves its something normal, people being evil out of fun its not something quite normal, but i think this is another issue. an issue i wouldnt label because it covers the lie inside. i don't want to go into those worlds, but as far as i can tell, ur all cool to me. so yeah i apologize for being mean, i think i was being mean with irish ex-husband.

Ok, so to clear me out of doubts plz:

sociopath = a lier who thinks he is cool by foolin people around/ a possesed human out of control that is no longer a human but the devil in a human body.
(true or lie?)
sociopath = emotionless and remorseless being as in dangerous for society if evilness is triggered. (t/l?)
sociopath = sets dangerous situations and forget about them by the second. (t/l?)
sociopath = illusionist (t/l?)

APD = people who just don't like people at all, yet can manage to have good conversations in difference with SA and are not by any means similar to sociopaths. (t/l)
APD= just dont dig society at all. (t/l?)

anyway, i moved from these topics now, i got new visions and moves now, the sentences are for anybody who'd like to reply them, not necesarily for you fomori, just to let ya know my position about it, sorry if im too direct with them.
hope ur doing fine anyway,and of course also you Irish, good to hear from ya, ur awesome. cheers .
*vanishes in a wind of silver dust to the rythm of that old song that nobody remembers the name of*

hmm, i dont intend to freak out or somethin with my words, but certainly i might be doing it, anyway mental illness can be spooky and many other things, so i guess no need to apology for it.
-waves-

that's me. oh well, maybe cya around sometime.

hmm, when i say evilness is triggered its a comlete error.
i think evilness its there and its always been there. nobody would be fault for evilness but evil itself. so i retract those words.
evilness can't be triggered. its ether there or its not there.
*vanishes again, this time succed*

just to let know the last sentences are mine, i would join, but i dont think i am. it seems i can never vanish at all.
oh well. 'gbye now. .

skyway wrote:Fomori, maybe you are thrivers ex?

Not likely. For starters, I'm in Northern America, and thriver is in New Zealand. I don't even know if it'd be legal.

voice wrote:hey fomori, hi there, amm when i said my apologizes both of you, i meant havok and your persona, i had no reason to apology to Irish Girl, i haven't been in the forum quite a while and nobody seems to post in the schyzotypal forum *sigh* anyway. So yep,when i said BOTH of you i mean havok and you, fomori. i really don't know what's APD, but it surely has a very bad reputation to my sight, then again i havent read too much about it.

It does have a bad rep. I don't mind a bad rep, I mind a reputation that makes all input I give worthless, and my future hopeless.

If you post some questions, you might be able to liven up the schizotypal forum. Forums tend to go through periods of activity, and inactivity.

Ok, so to clear me out of doubts plz:

I'll do what I can. First I will explain that antisocial activity does not automatically mean one has antisocial personality disorder. For example, someone can be coerced into antisocial activity, while not fitting all the criteria for someone who has Antisocial Personality Disorder, or is a sociopath.

Antisocial behavior can include lying, stealing, and violent behavior.

sociopath = a lier who thinks he is cool by foolin people around/ a possesed human out of control that is no longer a human but the devil in a human body.
(true or lie?)

A sociopath may consequently think that he or she is cool, upon discovering his or her uniqueness in the population. Sociopaths aren't solely liars, when engaged in antisocial activity. They like anyone else, can engage in all antisocial behaviors, if they wish. Someone who is a sociopath is not likely to feel remorse about any of their antisocial behaviors.

I am not sure theology should play a part in the diagnosis.

sociopath = emotionless and remorseless being as in dangerous for society if evilness is triggered. (t/l?)

Lack of emotional affect, and lack of remorse or guilt are among the main qualifying factors for a sociopath. They are considered a danger to society because the lack of remorse or guilt makes them more able to engage in antisocial behavior without hesitation.

Evil is both a strong and subjective word.

sociopath = sets dangerous situations and forget about them by the second. (t/l?)

I am not sure this plays any significant part in sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder.

sociopath = illusionist (t/l?)

APD = people who just don't like people at all, yet can manage to have good conversations in difference with SA and are not by any means similar to sociopaths. (t/l)
APD= just dont dig society at all. (t/l?)

Hereare the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Not 'digging' society at all, is in fact a criteria. Not all criteria are needed to meet the requirements, only three. I meet enough of the criteria for a diagnosis.

I treat them as different disorders. My reasoning can be found in the first page of this very thread.

anyway, i moved from these topics now, i got new visions and moves now, the sentences are for anybody who'd like to reply them, not necesarily for you fomori, just to let ya know my position about it, sorry if im too direct with them.
hope ur doing fine anyway,and of course also you Irish, good to hear from ya, ur awesome. cheers .
*vanishes in a wind of silver dust to the rythm of that old song that nobody remembers the name of*

I feel I can benefit from self-treating using methods suggested for people with ASPD.

This is new to me Fomori, can you share some of these ideas and how they are working?

I'm constantly dissatisfied with options before me.

With the economy behaving as it is, I do not believe that people can get by without someone watching their back.

*tsk tsk* you money hungry tyrant..

To achieve my goals, I believe I'll need to use the buddy system.

Uh-huh... I know exactly what you are referring to. Do not be coy with your ole winkity winks. This is a very naughty practice Fomori. And probably the 'inevetible trip' to your master plan. Is it possible you could give this up? Is not there some part of you that is completely dissatisfied with this situation? Ever played on Wallstreet?

Also unusual according to some literature, I don't lack an interest in interaction with people. I form intense frienships, and relationships. However, some of my behaviors can put people through hell, and although I am fiercely protective, and consider my emotions toward them real, I have also hurt these people without even flinching. Not quite the hell you experienced, but I know that it is taxing to be emotionally intimate with me.

does it bother you that you are not bothered by it.. yeh, dumb question..

If I want them to stay, I need to protect them from me.
If I want to succeed, I can't 'go it alone'.

I have a two-fold motivation.

1.)If I want them to stay, I need to protect them from me.
2.)If I want to succeed, I can't 'go it alone'.

If I read this backwards it makes more sense A two-fold motivation that always ends the same no?
Can you fathom compromise? In your want for things is there allowance for it? Are there people or things in your life that you will sacrifice for?

One must wonder what is with the motivation? Is leaching from someone else the only way? It seems that some Sociopaths live lives like that of a prostitute. Giving a good time to ensure stability. This I think is a fair question. Help me understand. Assuming that you cannot compromise for the gain; must the people who get hurt be the ones closest to you? Isn't there a way of gaining whatever without 1.) hurting those that you care for
and/or 2.) allowing them to care for you.
What is so important that you must USE others to achieve your OWN gain? Wealth. Fame. Control. You use 'feel good' words.. Don't glam it up. Fomori, you are not protecting them from you. You are intentually deceiving them by lying and misrepresenting yourself for your own gain. That is not protection. Provide them the truth and let them decide. Possibly they will try to support you knowing the truth and the limitations. Have you ever tried? Have you ever wanted to try? Have you ever chosen to try? I must admit it doesn't sound too viable.

On a lighter note. I was just thinking of certain women with their sugar daddies. Lots of men out there who will overlook most things (and care less), even provide greatly for a hummer now-n-again.. Too bad for me. I'm too proud for handouts, and refuse to be owned.

What I want, requires making some changes in how I deal with things.

your quote, and the basis for my continued thinking on this matter.

Fomori, please note, this is not an attack. Just discussion. Reality is, this is very personal, so come out swinging if you must, or simply ignore. The fact is, I do not want to offend. But I have a desire to walk in your shoes for one day. Then I would at least understand. And that is all I want.

Anonymous wrote:hmm, when i say evilness is triggered its a comlete error.
i think evilness its there and its always been there. nobody would be fault for evilness but evil itself. so i retract those words.
evilness can't be triggered. its ether there or its not there.
*vanishes again, this time succed*

Guest/Voice
You have fondness for evil? Are you wanting to debate then? Sober up first, I like to win fair and square.

skyway wrote:

Anonymous wrote:hmm, when i say evilness is triggered its a comlete error.
i think evilness its there and its always been there. nobody would be fault for evilness but evil itself. so i retract those words.
evilness can't be triggered. its ether there or its not there.
*vanishes again, this time succed*

Guest/Voice
You have fondness for evil? Are you wanting to debate then? Sober up first, I like to win fair and square.

, i dunno if im 100% sober to you but ok. ( i am sober) kk. amm thanks fomori for your replys i think, it clearmed me up something about, mm i tried to talk with peeps at the schyzotypal without an answer yet, but that's ok.

amm, skyway, before we start this debate, i'd like to say that evil its indeed a subjective word, just as fomori said, but this doesn't means we can't talk about it.
when i say evil, i mean whichever force who acts against the good.
when i say good i mean whichever force that acts against the evil.
i think there is a neutral force as well, but is by the side of evil as well. why?, because anythin neutral its against the good, then again prolly this doesn't make sense.

if i would have to say something about evil, is that it exists and its shape its universally known. also, i know that "if a tree falls and bobody is there, does it make noise?" i think it does make noise. so evil might be there in different shapes than the ones knownm by humans. well, as i said this word is like talkin about religion or war and society, but we can share maybe some about it.

evil applied to our words, would be : harming, destroying, pain, uncomfort, unpleasant etc i guess. and some other peculiar words, but then again, i use it to describe anythin against the good. what's good? thats another tricky question.
laterz. cheers fomori and irish.