Neuroticism and psychopathy

I asked you a question, jomp, see my edit. You posted just as I edited.

I know; I saw it.

okay, so... you planning to answer today or next year sometime?

Actually, there were two questions you didn't answer, so I'll reiterate them for you:

You talk about "general" narcissism being a shield, but what if that general narcissist doesn't care about adoration from others?

Do you consider yourself a narcissist, jomp, as in more narcissistic than the average person?

Aw, Reaps, have a day off. I appreciate the constant attention, but it's getting a bit old now, don't you think?

Look at you, all worried that I'm going to interrogate you.

Across samples of adolescents, measures of psychopathy appear more selectively associated with high neuroticism (e.g., angry hostility, vulnerability, depression).
Some researchers claim Psychopathy is not a monolithic disorder, but it is a confluence of several different personality traits that reflect differing levels of disinhibition, boldness, and meanness. Some scientific findings also suggest that a sizable subgroup of juvenile and adult offenders labeled as psychopathic are actually more emotionally disturbed than emotionally detached, showing signs of anxiety, dysphoria, depression, and suicidal ideation.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... y_Variants
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.117 ... 4009333792

Than again, there is also skepticism about whether these individuals are properly construed as psychopathic.

vcrpamphlet wrote:

solemnlysworn wrote:Who said that psychopaths are not neurotic?

The article you posted shows their neuroticism is controlled such that it's not a definable part of their person (not in intense enough a manner to be brought up socially), so you kind of answered your own question here.

Studies on psychopathy often demonstrate neurotic traits. High scorers on Factor 2 of PCL will often have higher neuroticism.

I think you're trying to misconstrue me on purpose. To re-quote the study:

Higher levels of neuroticism were associated with higher PCL scores, in both CSOs and CTLs [..] higher levels of psychopathy co-occur with higher levels of neuroticism, but psychopathy does apparently not modulate abusive behavior, at least not in low risk offenders, as currently investigated.

vcrpamphlet wrote:The moral/unmoral stimuli stuff is subset to the main point, and not sure what you're talking about.

Yes, though the study explicitly makes a connection between neuroticism and psychopathy and I'm not sure what you're not seeing. I make a concession in my original post by explaining that actually maybe the big 5 misidentifies traits that should be put under agreeableness, trying to be kind to your theory.

During active attempts to decrease emotional responses to unpleasant pictures, superior and ventrolateral prefrontal activity was positively correlated with psychopathy, but not with neuroticism

vcrpamphlet" wrote:^Bolded part is explaining how psychopaths weren't neurotic at all: they had "superior and ventrolateral prefrontal activity" which was absent in neurotic people.

I also think that you misread this. This was related to the moral stimuli in particular and showed that people low on neuroticism but not psychopathy did not module the same way.

-- Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:01 pm --

Oh, post above me too, and makes the same point I did about diagnosis

Manliness, stoicism, big balls and masculine jesus/buddah ideals seems to be a fixation for you to the point you try to make it "fit".

What are your thoughts on neuroticism in terms of psychopathy?
"Psychopathy" is about as consistent and misguided as "enlightenment" if viewed as something to be achieved.
How it relates to neuroticism depends on context and how misogynistic (anti feminine, anti emotional) the lens that is measuring is.

How do you feel about openly neurotic people?
It's about as relevant as what shape the shave their minge. I associate with very neurotic people and very not neurotic people.

How do you relate to it personally?[/quote]
I don't really understand what that neuroticism means as I have not heard it often, so I don't really know how I relate to it but I'll try anyway.

I'm comfortable with my neuroticism. Mine expresses itself in a particular way and I am quite fond of it.
I have a particular way of eating for example. I like to eat my portions so that they are "even" and the last bite is a little bit of everything. If someone pinches a bit so that it's "uneven", well then I will eat a little more of the other bit to make it "even" again. I am very tidy when eating and cooking.

Is that neurotic? If so, then I am neurotic because there are many things I do that are like this.

Jonna wrote:That's a very convoluted post. These are complicated subject matters and not just for anyone.

Yes yes, we must be cautious or else we will unwittingly speak the ancient enchantment of boogie boogie and release hell on earth.

ZeroZ wrote:unwittingly speak the ancient enchantment of boogie boogie

Well, that explains why my life is so fuked up...