Friends And Other Mythical Creatures

Of course but not fcking like humans.

That's fckin hilarious.

justonemoreperson wrote:

Reaper wrote:I've seen dogs experience happiness, sadness, anger, fear, anxiety and excitement. These are not emotions that were given to them by humans. All animals can experience them, even wild animals. Hell, even my bird experiences them and I sure as shlt didn't train her to feel them.

Ok, last try:

Dogs do experience simplistic emotions; i never said they didn't. What some people do is imply more than the base emotion. "My dog loves me just like a child," "Oh look, he's upset because I washed his blanket," "He's cross with me because I forgot his biscuits" - these base emotions are given meaning beyond the intent.

I don't understand what your issue is with that. If they're giving the dog warm bedding, regular meals and fresh water who cares what they say to it.

A dog can know what you're feeling through your body language and that can affect it's own emotions.

That dog, if it found you dead on the floor, would still eat your face and carry on as normal.

So would I if I were hungry enough and it wouldn't bother me either. It doesn't mean I didn't care about the dog when it was alive, so what's the difference.

How many dogs in the wild have you seen eat each other when one drops dead? It happens in movies, but I've never seen a dog do that in real life. Usually they'll either sit with the other dog if it's one they bonded with and then eventually leave, or they'll take off on their own soon after. They don't normally eat the face off another dog that's died.

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.

Reaper wrote:I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.

Oh, I think that happened a little while ago.

I have developed closer relationships with animals by understanding their basic needs, if they know they can depend on you to provide what they need that’s more important to them than smooshie kissie faces.

I was walking my last dog, we were approached by a neighbors pit bull it went after my dog so naturally I kicked the shlt out of the pit with steel toe boots. I became the unquestioned alpha she knew I could protect her and she let me control all situations like that including running into a couple wild coyotes. She never tried to pull me and go after them, if I was calm she was calm. Dogs have a natural instinct to find their place in the pack so they try to lead and be alpha but they are just as happy with letting someone else take the role if the trust them. Ego isn’t part of the process for animals, it’s a survival instinct.

They like affection obviously, but if their basic needs aren’t being met expect them to test your leadership. Another things as far as dogs go I always shared abit of my food after she ate her dog food, it was a way to say your part of the pack and I’ll make sure you eat well if your good

I think animals make some people feel special.

Like when I went to Amsterdam zoo and there was this woman talking to this creature through the railings. And she was so happy because this creature was responding to her. It was like she'd never had such positive attention from any other being before.

I'm just looking at her thinking "it just wants to fck you, you sad bitch".

ss wrote:
I find that it is quite possible to have this relationship with people. It's also interesting to me that you also like this. I've been getting gooey about where words don't need to be said for a long time, though I guess I never said it about animals

Occasionally at work I gel with someone to the extent an expression, nod, etc is all that is needed to work efficiently together. I like that.
Socially, it is rare with people but I do like it when I know I am on the same wavelength as another and certain nuances of a conversation, scene or observation are perceived in the same way without it having to be verbalised.

ZeroZ wrote:I have developed closer relationships with animals by understanding their basic needs, if they know they can depend on you to provide what they need that’s more important to them than smooshie kissie faces.

I was walking my last dog, we were approached by a neighbors pit bull it went after my dog so naturally I kicked the shlt out of the pit with steel toe boots. I became the unquestioned alpha she knew I could protect her and she let me control all situations like that including running into a couple wild coyotes. She never tried to pull me and go after them, if I was calm she was calm. Dogs have a natural instinct to find their place in the pack so they try to lead and be alpha but they are just as happy with letting someone else take the role if the trust them. Ego isn’t part of the process for animals, it’s a survival instinct.

They like affection obviously, but if their basic needs aren’t being met expect them to test your leadership. Another things as far as dogs go I always shared abit of my food after she ate her dog food, it was a way to say your part of the pack and I’ll make sure you eat well if your good

I like this.
So animals are not only good to connect with ( better than most humans) but they also enhance human connections:)

Squaredonutwheels wrote:

DaturaInnoxia wrote:To add, I paid for my own cartons of cigarettes- not him - I just needed him to get them.

Sometimes people find things to have heated arguments about; to feel emotional intensity without having to admit that need..

I'm not a fan of arguing; I'm not a fan of emotional intensity (big reason why I enjoyed the friendship) unless it's something like humor, and the arguments were never heated - aside from the cigarettes one which still wasn't exactly "heated" - it was just the only time I was genuinely angry with him.

To put this into context, the issues I've described were over the span of 8 years; not a short, intense little burst of time.

Squaredonutwheels wrote:Also, do you really think this thing with the cigarettes is about teaching him not to profit off friends?

100%
That's a personal value of mine; one I expect to be upheld.

Equality & 'Give and Take' is how I gage friendships.
I almost ended another friendship because she got something for free that she literally had no use for.
I expressed a need for it, and I didnt have much money then, so she tried to sell it to me at a lower cost pretending her motives were about trying to help me.
I went and bought the full priced one at the store.

Squaredonutwheels wrote:If he profited off you, then why do you miss him more than he misses you?

And why does that irritate you?

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He didn't profit off me. That was the only time the balance was off, and I just got my cigarettes elsewhere after that.

The friendship is starting to look more meaningful to me than it was.

I don't feel like I develop strong bonds anymore.
It's rare for me to get much out of interactions with people anymore and I don't really enjoy the company of others very often.
Usually it's just a chore I have to prepare and energize myself for.

I miss the sense of stabilization and grounding and not having to be in control of everything around me.

If those things were common for me, I wouldn't miss him at all.

It irritates me because it's not equal, and I would like to matter to the people who matter to me.

Then again, the only people he puts any real effort into keeping in his life are his 2 kids - and that only extends to a weekly phone call.

All this talk and examination making it look like the friendship had more depth than it did, has made me sick of it and removed the emotion or sense of loss. Thank you.

Anthropomorphizing animals is only doing a disservice to them as well. My dog is a dog, not a furry human. Seeing and treating him as a human (besides being generally delusional) would make me incapable of understanding and providing for his need. Of course I spoil him, but I spoil him as a dog. I feed him yummy things and take him to places where he can run and sniff and piss on things, I give him belly rubs and we snuggle on the couch because he enjoys those things...but he abides by my rules. People sometimes tell me I'm too strict with him, but he seems perfectly happy and I've seen far too many dogs that walk all over their owners, and that will not be us.

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Anthropomorphizing animals is only doing a disservice to them as well. My dog is a dog, not a furry human. Seeing and treating him as a human (besides being generally delusional) would make me incapable of understanding and providing for his need. Of course I spoil him, but I spoil him as a dog. I feed him yummy things and take him to places where he can run and sniff and piss on things, I give him belly rubs and we snuggle on the couch because he enjoys those things...but he abides by my rules. People sometimes tell me I'm too strict with him, but he seems perfectly happy and I've seen far too many dogs that walk all over their owners, and that will not be us.

Reaper wrote:I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.

How Jomp sometimes holds reductive/sceptical views regarding the nature of emotional bonds.

Squaredonutwheels wrote:

DaturaInnoxia wrote:To add, I paid for my own cartons of cigarettes- not him - I just needed him to get them.

The real question is tho.. with a username like that, have you ever smoked phantom cigarettes?

I had to look up the term. It made me think of smoking when you're on 'the nod' except my cigarettes were real and I was the 'phantom.' Risk of fire is also quite real though if you drop it, so I always rested my hand over (or unfortunately in) the ashtray.

And no, I've never ingested Datura or her sister, Brugmansia.
Beautiful plants! Especially when the sister shrub gets 6+ feet tall and in bloom - too bad the whole family gives me a bad vibe.
Brugmansia isnt a pretty name, so I chose Datura.

As a teen, I loved Carlos Castenda's books and many of the ideas contained within.
One of which being some people in Central America believe some plants are teachers/ hold spirits and when you ingest the plant you bring about the entity.
^
Datura is a female spirit who is very fickle; she either hates or loves men (usually hates).
When she met a male, she'd usually decide to create an 'initiation' for them.

If he passed, she'd make the man knowledgeable and powerful beyond measure.
If he failed, she killed him or drove him mad. (I think that's linked to the supposed inconsistencies of active vs toxic chemicals in the plants though).
I'm insane enough. I don't need to be more insane