Best ASPD movies of all time

You guys realize that probably 99% of ASPD and psychopaths are not murderers right? Many aren’t even violent

He said, giving examples of movies where the supposed ASPD are violent.

Greebo wrote:No country for old men is the only film I’m personally aware of that approaches a realistic depiction of a psychopath. Most of the other “psychopaths” in film would actually be variations on other personality disorders (mostly npd and ppd), undoubtedly antisocial but not psychopathically so.

Just antisocial ones that have not been mentioned off the top of my head are Ils and Man bites dog.

This is the one that came to mind for me.

Angelina Jolie in Girl, Interrupted.

Zero,

You guys realize that probably 99% of ASPD and psychopaths are not murderers right? Many aren’t even violent

In the US, 93% of all male psychopaths are in prison, on parole or probation. Of those, 78% are convicted for violent crimes. I would say you need to slightly revise your view at least of psychos.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4059069/

I recognize that violence is more prominent with psychopaths, there is a difference between psychopathy and ASPD. One thing to consider when looking at those statistics is how psychopathy is diagnosed in the US, you will never be tested for it let alone diagnosed with it, if it’s even a formal diagnosis unless you are a habitual repeat offender of a serious nature. So if someone was in and out of prison for minor crimes they would likely go undiagnosed.

Look at what Robert Hare has to say about it, all testing that we have now are all aimed at the criminal psychopath in the prison system, it’s an attempt to control their manipulation of the legal system, which goes back to the origins of the research of psychopaths malingering mental illness to go to a psych unit rather than jail only to get released and reoffend and repeat the process over and over. you read ‘Mask of Sanity’ which observers psychopaths in a clinical and legal setting you get that psychopaths are all different, while they have certain traits in common they are certainly not all violent.

ZeroZ wrote:I recognize that violence is more prominent with psychopaths, there is a difference between psychopathy and ASPD. One thing to consider when looking at those statistics is how psychopathy is diagnosed in the US, you will never be tested for it let alone diagnosed with it, if it’s even a formal diagnosis unless you are a habitual repeat offender of a serious nature. So if someone was in and out of prison for minor crimes they would likely go undiagnosed.

Look at what Robert Hare has to say about it, all testing that we have now are all aimed at the criminal psychopath in the prison system, it’s an attempt to control their manipulation of the legal system, which goes back to the origins of the research of psychopaths malingering mental illness to go to a psych unit rather than jail only to get released and reoffend and repeat the process over and over. you read ‘Mask of Sanity’ which observers psychopaths in a clinical and legal setting you get that psychopaths are all different, while they have certain traits in common they are certainly not all violent.

Obviously. If you pose no threat to society, then nobody cares and why would they?
I've read both Hare and Cleckley works and I don't think any of them ever claimed Psychopathy is synonymous with violence. The thing with Hare's work though, is that the PCL-R has some traits in it that emphasizes features that are predictive of violence (poor behavior controls for one). Then again, you don't need to have each and every trait to be diagnosed with Psychopathy.

dobiedobiedoo wrote:
Obviously. If you pose no threat to society, then nobody cares and why would they?

Because you're treating a condition based on a particular demographic, which makes it skewed and therefore unreliable.

justonemoreperson wrote:

dobiedobiedoo wrote:
Obviously. If you pose no threat to society, then nobody cares and why would they?

Because you're treating a condition based on a particular demographic, which makes it skewed and therefore unreliable.

Different psychopathy models and diagnostic tools, among them the popular PCL-R, have been validated both outside and inside prison. I think even its biggest critics, and it has many, wouldn't call it unreliable.
Last, you should know that not all research is done on forensic population. I'm interested what makes you think it's unreliable though.

dobiedobiedoo wrote:

justonemoreperson wrote:

dobiedobiedoo wrote:
Obviously. If you pose no threat to society, then nobody cares and why would they?

Because you're treating a condition based on a particular demographic, which makes it skewed and therefore unreliable.

Different psychopathy models and diagnostic tools, among them the popular PCL-R, have been validated both outside and inside prison. I think even its biggest critics, and it has many, wouldn't call it unreliable.
Last, you should know that not all research is done on forensic population. I'm interested what makes you think it's unreliable though.

It's reliable if its main purpose is identify reasons behind behaviour but it's unreliable from a patient perspective, as it offers no treatment except restraint and boxing-in.

Take me as an example. I was diagnosed following a court order in exchange for a lesser sentence. Ok, but then what? Nothing. No counselling was offered, no therapy, medication or anything else. Just, "ok, you have a problem so we'll lower your sentence to a fine, community service and a suspended prison sentence, but now you're on your own; we've lost interest."

Any other condition would not have been treated as such. Even people with BPD are given help in the community but no one knows what the f*ck to do with people with AsPD unless it's a reaction to behaviour.

justonemoreperson wrote:Take me as an example. I was diagnosed following a court order in exchange for a lesser sentence.

A diagnosis of AsPD got you a lesser sentence?

Ok, but then what? Nothing. No counselling was offered, no therapy, medication or anything else. Just, "ok, you have a problem so we'll lower your sentence to a fine, community service and a suspended prison sentence, but now you're on your own; we've lost interest."

Any other condition would not have been treated as such. Even people with BPD are given help in the community but no one knows what the f*ck to do with people with AsPD unless it's a reaction to behaviour.

Did you want therapy and medication?