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Re: Do you even care?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:35 pm

Squaredonutwheels wrote:I think it's the same with caring. I just try to assume I care and love just like everyone else. I have a massive suspicion that the entire thing is built on air, but I try to do a mind trick to pretend I have "faith" that after I practice enough skills, the foundation will fill in at a later date? It's a stab in the dark, but I have nothing to lose. That is why I am so resistant to people writing certain people off as saying they "can't" and never will. Some c*nts learn backwards. Assuming "faith" is the tricky part because it involves self deception, which doesn't come naturally for everyone.


Well said.

-- Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:10 am --

saucygirl31 wrote:what does it feel like to care about something that has nothing to do with you?


It feels like nothing special.

Can't speak for everyone, but in my case it comes from a basic understanding that both of us are going to die; and the relevant considerations therein.
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Re: Do you even care?

Postby saucygirl31 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:51 pm

well on second thought maybe i have felt that

like playing with kids on a church trip to help the needy. i went on the trip because i was with friends, but i helped the kids because being the person who made someone's day feels good too.

is that feeling, making someone's day, legitimate for caring?

or is it just a mirror of happiness?
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Re: Do you even care?

Postby vcrpamphlet » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:02 pm

Legitimate answers in every direction could be given.

I choose not to care that much about why I care. Skepticism about motives makes sense, but skepticism's validity is far from evidence that genuine altruists aren't real.

saucygirl31 wrote:or is it just a mirror of happiness?


Depending on how happiness is meant, that might just be verging on something very interesting.
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Re: Do you even care?

Postby saucygirl31 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:13 pm

happiness as in, not real happiness (lol), but image based.

i sense that ones image of "goodness" would be reinforced, thus justifying the "bad"

"i'm a good person, i did x y z."

balancing a moral code that doesn't really exist?

but for what reason.

is it merely to justify the bad? or is it to grasp onto that last piece of shedding string that connects you to society
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Re: Do you even care?

Postby PsychoGenesis » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:17 pm

saucygirl31 wrote:well on second thought maybe i have felt that

like playing with kids on a church trip to help the needy. i went on the trip because i was with friends, but i helped the kids because being the person who made someone's day feels good too.

is that feeling, making someone's day, legitimate for caring?

or is it just a mirror of happiness?
when you feel good without "thinking" and start seeing yourself as part of their whole experience(flow) then i'd say it is legítimate
one of the cues is that it should feel powerful because you're so mindful now it puts you in control of that person's feelings

really tho its not easy to describe feelings so ymmv


Squaredonutwheels wrote:^For me I got stuck on math because I couldn't just "accept" things. There needed to be something "accepted" to build the rest on.

Me at school: "Why is 1+1=2?". But why? What is +? What is 1? Teacher: "It just is you retard. Stop asking questions and memorize it."

I was fortunate that my mother taught me patiently and explained the basics. When I asked why is 1+1=2 she explained that right now my brain wouldn't understand even if she told me and that I had to persist even if I didn't know "why" because eventually the skill I learned would mean I could go backwards and understand the foundation of what the rest was built on. So I just practiced the methods by "faith" until I had the ability to go back and rebuild the foundation.

She was right eventually. When I learned Peano axioms they show how to make numbers from scratch. It was like the entirety of maths was floating perilously unacceptably in the air until that point, and suddenly after all the years of pretending I knew what was going on, it all had somewhere to rest. The wonky thing is that one can't learn the Peano axioms first, even though that is what numbers are built from.

I think it's the same with caring. I just try to assume I care and love just like everyone else. I have a massive suspicion that the entire thing is built on air, but I try to do a mind trick to pretend I have "faith" that after I practice enough skills, the foundation will fill in at a later date? It's a stab in the dark, but I have nothing to lose. That is why I am so resistant to people writing certain people off as saying they "can't" and never will. Some c*nts learn backwards. Assuming "faith" is the tricky part because it involves self deception, which doesn't come naturally for everyone.

right, theres a gene that makes some people resistant to hypnosis, i know i have it and faith is always on my way, thats why i like learning about mental imagery, meditation, drugs, LD

edit: its one in the "warrior gene" phenotype

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. ... 1003760827
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Re: Do you even care?

Postby Manners73 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:46 pm

I do care but it's very watered down and it feels like something I have to really concentrate on and focus into to be able to do. It doesn't come natural is what I'm trying to say.

I'm an obsessive so that can sometimes come across to the outsider as caring but it's different and only mimics caring when I'm obsessed with something productive.

I am a mother but I believe my instinct towards my daughter to be more primal than other mainstream type mothers but the fact that I know that I would kill for my daughter tells me that I do care.
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