Any position results in therapy?

I’m looking to hear from some NPDs (or ASPD)who have actually benefited from therapy and how they think it’s improved their life or how they interact with the outside world.

I had to fire my last T because of the number of times she canceled on me and getting into the office is such an inconvenience for me because of my work schedule. I have a DR appointment coming up and I can’t decide if I should ever bother asking for a new referral.

Actually I’d be interested in hearing anything therapy related that you care to share, good,or bad, funny.

I’ve posted this in the NPD forum also as that’s my most recent diagnosis but I would like to hear any feedback.

I'm practicing story telling. Don't know about actually being helpful. TLDR down the bottom.
This could be a blog post, but mods might not let it out of AsPD forum for free time in general pop.

I've been in anger management for some obvious reasons like many of the people on here and saw a shrink briefly because my sisters suicide attempts and the shrink involved wanted to meet the family.

I saw doctors and child counselors as a kid but it wasn't therapy. Just me going along for play time with my mum and she'd argue with the doctors and teachers about how she wasn't going to medicate her boy. Mothers are beautifully hypocritical. To her, I was both the meaning of her life and a nuisance all at the same time. She'd criticize me constantly and I got the wire coat hanger often, but if anyone else dare suggested anything, even a doctor, she had none of it.

I thought the anger management was interesting, practical and helpful. It was run by an ex catholic priest. Quite interesting as I'd never met a catholic priest before. I was disappointed when it ended as I was just beginning to understand some of the other boys in there and ended up hanging out with a few of them after. They were a fun bunch but without the ex priest to guide us, we just degenerated to just another mob of drunk idiots with little leadership.

The psychiatrist I saw briefly was interesting and she planted the interest in my mind about psychology. It wasn't very productive though as I was too focused on noticing how she'd re adjust her self in her seat, cross and uncross her legs when I'd tell her about my sexy times. She had makeup on, but I'm pretty sure she was flushing as she'd keep asking me about that stuff.

When I offered to show her photos and videos she acted all cool and professional but she couldn't hide the voyeuristic interest on her face. She'd get out of her comfy shrink chair and lean in to lap up what naughty dirt I dragged in that week.

I used to play this game of bringing my phone closer and closer to my crotch each time so that I was still in my seat and she'd have to get out of hers.

Eventually I had her out of the chair completely and leaning right into me. She had these thick red frames and I noticed that she had beautiful eyes. I once thought that if I hide her glasses maybe she'd lean even closer to take a look and her head would be right there to smell my wang, but I couldn't figure out the logistics of that final step. Very distracting. Might have been younger hormones. I'm not nearly as horny these days.

Once the girl I was seeing even tagged along to a session and she'd ask her all sorts of questions too.

My shrink seemed more concerned about the girl than me and gave her a letter of reference or something. I think it was because it was obvious that the girl had an eating disorder.

I went along with the girl to a few anorexia shrinks as well. The whole thing was enlightening as I had been with many girls with ED but to actually see how it worked made me learn a lot about myself as well. Knowing about ED also helped me understand the women who would later play a bigger role in my life.

I noticed that ED shrinks were a different breed altogether. Unfortunately where I am, they are such high demand and not enough supply that as soon as the ED was under control, they refer (downgrade) their patients to 2/5 yelp rated shrinks and the ED comes back. Then they go back to the ED shrink rinse and repeat until they finally get it sorted.

My shrink suspected a mood disorder in me. I seemed depressed to her while having random outbursts and periods of isolation followed by bursts of promiscuity. She made me keep a mood journal that I filled in one day and forgot about it. She thought I had a "fear of intimacy" but I am pretty sure she was projecting as I could definitely sense sexual frustration in her and I know that I quite enjoy intimacy.

She prescribed me sleeping tablets but didn't diagnose me with anything. I still think I am more or less normal with certain traits. Then again you take any normal c*nt off the street and look close enough and they'll have some trait. Everyone sh*ts. It's just if yo butthole keeps leaking out when you're on romantic dates you kind of want to get that fixed. Otherwise why bother twisting around to examine your own brown hole everyday.

Once she tried to give me confusing idealistic advice about relationships and I said that she was my whore because I paid her and it was her job to listen and figure me out, not make up nonsense. That didn't quite get the result I anticipated though. She suggested a male shrink for me. One on time with a male shrink. F*ck that. My breakup with my shrink was like a professional breakup between hookers. It was pleasant.

In hindsight a lot of what she said was right though and I was in denial or projecting certain aspects of myself. I am grateful overall for the experience.

I might do better with a T now that I am older but I can't see how she'd be any more helpful than this forum other than getting extra focus from a professional trained person. Half the c*nts on here might be f*ck ups with regards to themselves but most of people on here are pretty damn insightful. Maybe dealng with it first hand gives eyes into things otherwise missed. Plus the AsPD forum is more helpful than any of the others because it is more blunt and people see through sh*t much better here. Also on this forum there is a distance which is safe and I can let my guard down. It's just words on a screen after all. When face to face with a person, I am hardly this vulnerable or honest.

Overall I'd give my T experience a 4/5, recommend to a friend but would not go back myself.
For people with ED, from what I've seen, a T is highly recommended. If I ever got an ED, I'd book a shrink asap. I don't know about NPD though. Might help to have someone listen and trick them into self realization? I don't know. NPD is a hard nut to crack. Maybe because it's drivel is boring or because self insight is just generally hard to solve for people that need an image more than they need change? I don't know how NPD works. I'm pulling crap out of my arse.

I've never had therapy, as such. I went through the process to get a diagnosis, but once the diagnosis arrived, all of the attention stopped. I think it was seen as a lost cause to any therapy after that.

I'm not sure what therapy would do.

It might be more useful to see them as assistants - they probably can’t add much value, but they’re at least an outlet for processing your own introspections.

vcrpamphlet wrote:It might be more useful to see them as assistants - they probably can’t add much value, but they’re at least an outlet for processing your own introspections.

You could say the same thing about a Labrador.

I guess in that context I use this forum for that.

A good one might provide some insight through the process.

vcrpamphlet wrote:A good one might provide some insight through the process.

I've had this conversation on the forum before and it usually comes back to the same point: that to have any meaningful discussion would require the therapist to relinquish their theory of mind and discuss things from an amoral point of view.

Most of the instruments used to aid a person to a more fulfilling existence result from engaging the person in sympathetic behaviours, which is of little use if your brain just doesn't fire that way.

I could help people with my condition; not because I'm qualified, simply because I've come to learn and adapt. However, I doubt my mechanism of assistance would be seen as correct and generally healthy. I think it would be seen as irresponsible.

My dogs have always been more useful in terms of my mental state than any psychologist ever has.

Therapy as always been a bit of a bust for me. I usually get stuck at the diagnostic stage. The therapist has sometimes been helpful post porphyric crisis as the effect the condition has on my mental state causes be distortions which would upset friends/family.

Beyond that family, friends, partner, pets, boss, and my various mentors have all proved themselves more useful that any therapist. I had a clinical psychologist liken me to a nazi once, which was highly unprofessional and irritating since he wasn’t any the wiser on how to deal with me.

That being said if you’re facing off against NPD or AsPD I’m not sure there is much of a choice.

justonemoreperson wrote:

vcrpamphlet wrote:A good one might provide some insight through the process.

I've had this conversation on the forum before and it usually comes back to the same point: that to have any meaningful discussion would require the therapist to relinquish their theory of mind and discuss things from an amoral point of view.

Most of the instruments used to aid a person to a more fulfilling existence result from engaging the person in sympathetic behaviours, which is of little use if your brain just doesn't fire that way.

I could help people with my condition; not because I'm qualified, simply because I've come to learn and adapt. However, I doubt my mechanism of assistance would be seen as correct and generally healthy. I think it would be seen as irresponsible.

Are you familiar with the concept of Eudaimonia?

It might be that it just works differently for a psychopath, but still has the same orientational usefulness.

Quoth wrote:
Therapy as always been a bit of a bust for me. I usually get stuck at the diagnostic stage. The therapist has sometimes been helpful post porphyric crisis as the effect the condition has on my mental state causes be distortions which would upset friends/family.

That's the point; the interviewer needs to relinquish their attachment to moral norms to relate, which I think would be near impossible.

I had a clinical psychologist liken me to a nazi once

You're smartly dressed and goal-orientated?

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vcrpamphlet wrote:orientational usefulness.

In what way?