PDs have nothing to do with morality

So i guess you're right. i guess i did see some mythological creature up until now recently. People kept calling me it so i tried to find it. Never could see it since i'm human on so many levels. ###$ i'm a narcissist lol. well i kinda already knew that. See nothing has changed.. so whats the point? Why feel disordered?

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:11 am --

just because everyone else adapt to their surroundings...

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:11 am --

see its easy to turn this back on you...

i don't think it's human nature to have fragile self-esteem.

some forms of Aspd (what i consider misdiagnoses strictly speaking as far as real PD is concerned) do represent 'animal instincts' under certain circumstances being pathologized by snobby middleclass white peeps.

but other forms, where it's like extreme sensitivity to being controlled in any way or one's freedom limited, are not human nature.

and in fact when you talk to the individual, together you will see often they had a bunch of experiences early on where being controlled by others was really negative, perhaps even traumatizing in some sense, and that's why they react so extremely (and maladaptively).

so yes...some Aspd are just people who in a particular environment adapted by getting in touch with their 'animal instincts' but unfortunately the law got involved and they got caught and diagnosed with Aspd...

but other Aspd have legit emotional issues resulting in violent outbursts and super irresponsibility and carelessness with finances resulting in convictions...and getting diagnosed....because of early negative experiences

in the end, it all comes down to: is it adaptive or not adaptive in one's environmental?

what complicates this is that society essentially consists of many envionrment. there is the environment of the streets and the hood which requires a particular adaptive strategy, and then the law and its middleclass constituents (police, etc.), and when these different worlds come into contact, you get one of them (the more powerful) telling the other it's disordered...

when the fact is if they were born into that world, they'd be doing the same stuff because they'd be dead otherwise.

but you know the state has to keep face...it can't let the hood govern itself or the middleclass over-controlled peeps will starting asking why they can get away with so much while they are too scared to even light a joint in the park...so it goes in there and arrests a bunch of people...and pathologizes their strategy so reassert their own norms...

but that doesn't mean there are not Aspd who are legit...whose issues can be traced to specific experiences...and who regret their actions after cuz they screwed themselves...they may not take responsibility...but they regret it cuz they lost more than was worth it...cuz they got a PD

a PD is where you act in ways where there ARE other options...but you can't take them because you are just emotionally set in your ways

that's not human nature lol. human nature is to be adaptive.

and no i am not trying to get you to accept the doctrine of personality disorders because the mainstream doctrine is WRONG.

i suggesting however that while the mainstream doctrine is wrong...it contain some legit cases...and it's worth not throwing the baby out with the bathwater...and instead consider my doctrine which is better

for the record, i find modern society absolutely intolerable...and think ti is well within human nature (especially male nature) to resist it

were this not the case...there would be no need for law right? because everyone would just cooperate or get along more or less.

humans did not need to be controlled by other humans prior to civilization...and there was no such overarching control

sure they fought and killed each other sometimes...for various reasons...but they were more isolated instances and just happened on a smaller scaler

whether civilization in the wake of population or environmental pressures was a necessary response is irrelevant.

it is unnatural and humans naturally resist what is unnatural.

however.....Aspd takes a different form than these animal instincts coming to the fore in the face of unnaturalness.

Aspd is a specific response to a set of specific negative experiences had by the individual...wrought by society but nevertheless separate

true Aspd are perpetually responding not to the society immediately before them...but their past

and so we conclude, i think with a minor amendment on my part, which is that yes, some Aspd are just animal instincts under a particular environment. i do not believe i deliberately overlooked this group of Aspd, but rather took for granted that you knew i was referring to the other group, which is a group not adapting to what is before them immediately, but rather holding on to old responses acquired in the past but which are no longer adaptive to their demise, or reacting unthinkingly to emotions acquired again from past experiences...which even if those experiences were to reoccur exactly as they did prior the emotional response acquired would be maladaptive...so in that sense it is a condition that is truly maladaptive

you win. i hate you.. and i knew there was a reason why i liked you in the first place.

so why do i care?

because...as far as i know i have a PD

and...i don't like it being confused with human nature

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:48 am --

inossak2 wrote:you win. i hate you.. and i knew there was a reason why i liked you in the first place.

actually...we both won (or lost)

cuz you made me aware that a subset of Aspd is just human nature (due to what is essentially mis/over/inappropriate-diagnosis)

mhmm. true story!

Still you got a point when it comes to my own place in society.

that you're the ubermensch?

that its a struggle.

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:08 am --

But sure that too ###$ aff

crystal_richardson_ wrote:for the record, i find modern society absolutely intolerable...and think ti is well within human nature (especially male nature) to resist it

If it were human nature to resist it we would not have evolved as we did.

Modern civilization benefits our survival.

We could go back to grass roots, live off the land the way humans used to and ditch modern technology, but we wouldn't have some of the things that we have now that are required to perform certain surgeries or to identify and cure certain diseases. We wouldn't have the information that is so easily available to us now when we need it.

Do you prefer to live in a hut or the house/apartment your in with it's modern conveniences? Do you prefer to walk, ride a horse everywhere or drive a car? Do you prefer to suffer through pain or use the painkillers that are available these days?

If it weren't for modern civilization you wouldn't have a computer to tell people you'll never meet how much you despise modern society.

were this not the case...there would be no need for law right? because everyone would just cooperate or get along more or less.

humans did not need to be controlled by other humans prior to civilization...and there was no such overarching control

There was always a hierarchy. Even the smallest of tribes have a leader, even if it's just the elders of that tribe that finalize decisions.

i hate you too reaper...