PDs have nothing to do with morality

Reaper wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:you give an order to kill someone and you do in the army - that's one situation in which killing is not considered disorderly or indicative of PD (well, maybe to the enemy lol)

if you do it in civil society then it is a disorder.

I disagree.

Killing someone in society is not necessarily indicative of a PD. There are a lot of healthy-minded people who killed someone in a moment of rage/jealousy. They didn't suddenly develop a personality disorder just because they murdered someone.

if it's pattern then yes it would be, it depends on the reasons.

if you look at case of murder in family or relationships due to sudden rage individuals are commonly diagnosed with PDs.

although that may just being their defence attorneys trying to get them off the hook some lol

but i agree a single instance of such behaviour isn't indicative of PD. that's not how PDs are diagnosed anyway. they diagnosed base don a history. if the kill is an expression of a pattern of other behaviour through related then yes it would be PD related and relevant to diagnosis.

also, it depends on who was killed and why (did i already say this?). if a husband kills the wife in rage cuz he found her with his brother in their bed or something...that's like one of those borderline cases where it's not necessarily PD but maybe something understandable. court would probably rule murder but diminished responsibility because they would sympathize with situation that many people can relate to - rage at discovering affair...it;s human nature right? especially catching in the act...that's the worst right?

people with PDs rage over issues most people can't relate to. people with PDs will kill their neighbour and go to jail for it impulsively because they bought a bigger boat than them and it's sitting in their drive way constantly triggering them when they leave for work everyday as they have to look at it..etc

note, this is what i believe to be what a true PD is, and it does exist in at least a subsection of diagnosed PDs so it's valid; but psychiatry is much broader in scope of people and cases in which PDs are diagnosed, i just don't personally agree with those other cases being PD, like a hitman who kills for money, etc...i don't consider that PD...dysfunctional yes to some parts of society or individuals...but that's mostly a matter of perspective...the hitman gains from it...and it is not altogether different from what the rest of society does...and for similar reasons

the person who kills the neighbour cuz they don't like them having a better boat than them doesn't gain anything, and the next day they may kill again at the sight of something similar...it's absurd. but that's what a PD is. it's an extreme example, but PDs manifest in ways like that...extreme behaviour for no gain other than some small immediate usually psychological/emotional wound related one...and it's not like it even heals the wound

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:11 am --

here is someone who killed cuz they got a PD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Blackwell

just read his story. nons cannot relate to his seemingly absurd decisions, especially given his prospects in life.

i get where he is coming from. i am not like him and it all goes differently for me but i get it.

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:16 am --

Reaper wrote:

i am more talking about someone who is alone with someone, and they slight them, and the only effect of the slight is on that man's pride or self-esteem which is so fragile that he must eliminate the object of his wound and anger.

that is truly PD.

How does that relate to 'where'?

If he is PD'd, then his PD is defined by his actions and thought process, not 'where' he did it.

where he does it reflects his thought process....where he does it is evidence of his thought process

Everything you said there is based on behavior, which proves my point. That PD's are based on behavior and mindset and there must be a history of it, not just one instance, therefore 'where' is really not that relevant considering the behavior is connected to the individual's mindset, not their location.

i feel like i'm being gaslighted!

no.

um...i don't think i am going to review this discussion at a later time when i am more rested...despite my sleepy eyes i am pretty sure i hit each point so the speak...

i don't know reapa.....

i don't really care see it, don't see it...

whaaaaatteevver

actually i am not sleepy at all but i feel totally dazed and confused....

hey that's a movie!

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:22 am --

Reaper wrote:Everything you said there is based on behavior, which proves my point. That PD's are based on behavior and mindset and there must be a history of it, not just one instance, therefore 'where' is really not that relevant considering the behavior is connected to the individual's mindset, not their location.

it's indirect reaper.

where and under what circumstances someone does something reflects their thought process.

most people can't relate to the circumstances under which brian blackwell killed his parents. that's all i mean by 'where'

don't take it too literally lol...or overthink it

crystal_richardson_ wrote:

Reaper wrote:

i am more talking about someone who is alone with someone, and they slight them, and the only effect of the slight is on that man's pride or self-esteem which is so fragile that he must eliminate the object of his wound and anger.

that is truly PD.

How does that relate to 'where'?

If he is PD'd, then his PD is defined by his actions and thought process, not 'where' he did it.

where he does it reflects his thought process....where he does it is evidence of his thought process

So, you're saying that his thought process changes with his location?

Is there really a difference between someone who kills someone over a slight in the military and someone who kills someone over a slight in a suburban house in society?

There may be differences in the individual themselves and how they think, but the location itself didn't make one more or less disordered than the other.

-- Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:24 am --

FUK I'M HUNGRY

WHERE'S THE FUKING PIZZA

crystal_richardson_ wrote:where and under what circumstances someone does something reflects their thought process.

Yes, it can, but no-one gets diagnosed based on a crime scene alone. It only shows some insight into their personality, which may or may not reflect his true mental state.

if you're really good...i bet you could diagnose someone based on a crime scene alone..

anyway....that's even what i am talking about reaper! you are way out in left field...

crystal_richardson_ wrote:if you're really good...i bet you could diagnose someone based on a crime scene alone..

No, you can't because a lot more has to be taken into consideration when diagnosing them than a single crime scene.

Multiple crimes scenes would give more insight, but still wouldn't be enough to base a diagnosis on.

i totally agree!

(on this separate issue )

crystal_richardson_ wrote:they got rid of what was making them angry, which brought them temporary relief of a sort, i mean i personally get that mindset.

the problem or lack of gain comes after...when they got life for doing it

so ya, in the moment it's a gain, but even they will regret their actions ultimately under such circumstance usually.

so it wasn't really a gain, and in the end they lost - a lot.

and some people really cannot help themselves in those situations. their emotions are literally moving their arm or fingers to pull that trigger without their mind having any say.

like i totally get this, and personally the only way i've found to cope with it is avoid those situations entirely, because i know if someone says the wrong thing they are a goner - and so am i.

just kidding i wouldn't hurt anyone lol

Ok, i get this to... but ulitmately what you're doing is what everyone is doing. Hide their human nature. This just feels like you're trying to indoctrinate me into accepting the disorder. Which i cannot do because of my own experience, although i do spitefully agree with you that its "insane" to the norm. But i'm starting to understand what youre saying here. But i don't think its gona change much i'm afraid. Its hard to change when you somewhat enjoy the positives of it.. ill just have to endure the negative when that day comes as ive done countless times over already with similar situations. I guess i never learn and thats my disorder. Why i never learn have absolutely nothing to say in the matter.