PDs have nothing to do with morality

can you post a case in which criminality was absent in a diagnosis of Aspd? (excluding yourself)

-- Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:04 am --

Reaper wrote:If a diagnosis of AsPD relied primarily on criminality then every common criminal would get diagnosed with it, but that is not the case.

it's one of those things...

not all criminals are diagnosed with Aspd, but all Aspd are diagnosed on the basis of criminality...

crystal_richardson_ wrote:can you post a case in which criminality was absent in a diagnosis of Aspd? (excluding yourself)

Yes, there are/have been others here who also claim to have been diagnosed without a criminal record. I'm not the only one (I do have a criminal history though).

Of course, I can't prove they were actually diagnosed and I can't prove I was because that would mean giving away my identity.

If I happen to come across a case online that proves it, I will post it, but I know for a fact you can be diagnosed without it. It's not common, but it has certainly proven to be possible.


Here is something: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/diagnosis-treatment/diagnosis/dxc-20198984

No mention of a criminal record required.

Diagnosis

By Mayo Clinic Staff

People with antisocial personality disorder are unlikely to believe they need help. However, they may seek help from their health care provider because of other symptoms such as depression, anxiety or angry outbursts or for treatment of substance abuse.

People with antisocial personality disorder may not provide an accurate account of signs and symptoms. A key factor in diagnosis is how the affected person relates to others. With permission, family and friends may be able to provide helpful information.

After a medical evaluation to help rule out other medical conditions, the health care provider may make a referral to a mental health professional for further evaluation.

Diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder is typically based on:

A psychological evaluation that explores thoughts, feelings, relationships, behavior patterns and family history
Personal and medical history
Symptoms listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association
Though typically antisocial personality disorder isn't diagnosed before age 18, some signs and symptoms may occur in childhood or the early teen years. Usually there is evidence of conduct disorder symptoms before age 15.

Reaper wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:can you post a case in which criminality was absent in a diagnosis of Aspd? (excluding yourself)

If memory serves me, I don't think wahoo, tempest or justonemoreperson ever remarked on any jail/prison time they'd served? or are you using the term 'criminality' to mean doing things for which a person could be arrested/convicted?

not all convictions lead to jail time

-- Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:49 am --

Reaper wrote:No mention of a criminal record required.

i said this before, there are many things unstated in the DSM and Aspd criteria that are involved in diagnosis, more important than those things stated.

the DSM is just a guide. not even the criteria mentioned are used religiously by clinicians. they are just a guide.

morality as nothing to so with morality
it's all about the system
maintaining it
feeding it
if you do that you can be as amoral you want
that's why the system is hard on the week
and soft on the ppl in power

i think the people in power know they are weak and insecure about it so they band together and repress those stronger than them out of fear.

crystal_richardson_ wrote:i said this before, there are many things unstated in the DSM and Aspd criteria that are involved in diagnosis, more important than those things stated.

What are those things exactly?

If they're so important, why are they excluded from the DSM?

i guess because 'criminality' isn't a personality trait

the other things are included in the DSM under the general criteria, like social and occupational dysfunction.

of course people don't see that when they google Aspd and read the wikipedia criteria which ONLY mention Aspd specific criteria...

crystal_richardson_ wrote:i guess because 'criminality' isn't a personality trait

I think the idea is that it points at a personality trait (or traits). Like, if you run the numbers, unless you reach really high levels of operation, criminality isn't all that profitable. Petty crime provides nowhere near what you can earn by just holding down a decent mid-level job. Some people are petty criminals because of social pressures, lack of education, drugs, etc, but what about the others? Impulsivity, thrill seeking, lack of planning, poor anger management, etc... criminality is an indicator of a personality.

Heh. You been reading Freakonomics, fiveintime?

But, no, you're right. Often low level crime pays worse than a legal job which is why I find some members' dogmatic thoughts about their common criminality being a better lifestyle than other alternatives amusing.