PDs have nothing to do with morality

inossak2 wrote:Ever heard about stockholm syndrome? You can groom people into whatever you want if you have the right tools for it... I bet thats what some serial killers with a torture room are trying to do.

Yes, I know what grooming is. It's a form of manipulation.

Children are naive. They can be groomed to want sex without even fully understanding what it is, but considering they were manipulated into it, there has to be a point as they grow up where they realize they were deceived.

I just don't see how a child could truly enjoy something they don't even have the capacity to really understand yet or give informed consent to.

Purple 8 wrote:So you believe that most child molesters molest children out of anger and self-loathing? You don't believe that they're sexually attracted to children at all?

No, I believe they do have a sexual attraction to children, but it's a warped view based on rationalization.

That's not true for all child molestors though. I believe some just want to fuk kids.

I am someone who has a sexual attraction to children (including teenagers and adults), but I'm not a child molestor because I've never touched a child sexually. I'm more attracted to adults than children and, as such, am content having sex with other adults.

I don't know why I have a sexual attraction to children, other than the fact that I'm just sexually attracted to some, the same way I am to some teenagers and adults. I wasn't sexually molested. At least not at any age where I would have been aware of it anyway, otherwise I'd remember, and if I was sexually molested as a baby, unknowingly, then I don't see how that would even affect me because I have no memory of it.

As far as I'm concerned, age limit is irrelevant when it comes to sexual attraction. It doesn't matter who you fuk in your own mind.

So you believe that something can't effect you if you don't remember it?

Purple 8 wrote:So you believe that something can't effect you if you don't remember it?

Yes. How could something affect me if I have no memory of it?

Exempt wrote:100% agreed.

Morality is irrelevant.

No, morality is relevant to most people. Most people care a great deal about their reputation, about the moral behavior of others, normal people place moral judgments on just about everything. From eating meat to using swear words to murder to the death penalty.

(Normal) People also evaluate their actions in terms of 'good' and 'bad' and they want to feel good about themselves, they want to have a clear conscience.

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Psychiatrists might not place a moral judgment on ASPD, but everyone else does.

"So you're a sociopath? That means your evil''

Sociopathy IS evil to most people. And it DOES play a role in making ASPD a disorder.

I doubt psychiatrists have no moral judgment towards AsPD, rather they just don't speak of it because their average patient wouldn't really understand what they're saying since they're usually missing this moral compass. It's like talking about colors with a blind person, there's no sense in it..

they might but it doesn't affect their work....well of course it can but it's not supposed to

PDs are not based on morality

inossak2 wrote:What is lack of morals anyway? i have morals, although its "broken". Get it.. its just perspectives. If you and i were the only people on earth would what you have been taught about human behaviour and whats "dysfunctional" or not have anything to say if i jabbed a knife into your hearth?

Morals are the survival, propagation, and well-being of our species loosely translated into a set of guidelines. Moral nihilism isn't really a defensible position, considering every species on the planet has some sort of morality.

Not only that, but personality disorders probably don't even exist. Many of these labels don't. Not saying the symptoms don't exist, mind you. They're just monikers, as you rightly stated, to describe people who fall outside of the "norm". They can't even describe what the "norm" is. I mean they try, but then it ends up it's not as much as the norm as they think it is.

People who define personality disorders tend to have a prominent white, middle-class bias. For example, Kernberg stated that a "healthy" identity was enjoyment in work and play. How many people do *you* know enjoy their work, and don't work purely for money? Many people who grew up in middle-class+ families could afford to send their children to post-secondary schooling, so these children had plenty of opportunity to plan their future to fit in what they would enjoy doing with it.

Many people from poor families, if they could even afford good education, had to go to work during or right after high school. Mommy and daddy couldn't afford to support them through their education endevors.

So, because they're not "invested" in their work, they have identity "pathology". lolol

Latest news is that 20-30% of people have a PD. If PDs are so common, they cannot, by definition, be disorders anymore. GTFOH.

that is riddled with illogic, but you raise some points i will address.

PDs exist exactly how they are defined - maladaptive personality given a particular environment. a set of early learned rigid behaviours stemming from learned rigid ways of thinking and feelings (the definition of personality) that are ill-fit for a particular environment, that the person cannot change (easily) because...it's their personality!

it exists as much as any other mental illness.

so, some live in stressful environment, or due to work experience clinical depression, anxiety, etc. if they were to leave that environment, and go somewhere else, they may cease having those issues.

so yes, mental illness is environmentally relative, which means that it can become very common or not common at all, as circumstances change even within the same location.

i don't know how that amounts to PDs not existing...again i believe it is due to misunderstanding.

it's like many people are very knowledgeable on PDs here, but they lack sort of the essential part of understanding. it's like they are just missing this little piece and it skews the rest a bit.

So, because they're not "invested" in their work, they have identity "pathology". lolol

it's not like that. is that what your psych has seen as basis for identity issues?

i will give my experience. before i was diagnosed with a PD i had horrible identity issues and still do to some extent.

to cope with stressors at the time, and these got worse under stress as many mental illness symptoms do, i used to, even from day to day or hour to hour, change my identity internally and externally, or not to cope but to fit in to different groups i wanted to fit into. this was past that teenage stage of trying on hats. day to day i would radically change who i was, from punk chick, to nerdy, to whatever, and i would change my appearance drastically even day to day, and buy all the clothes to fit that person. even from hour to hour i would drastically change who i was and had no stable sense of self internally that caused great distress...like being lost in an ocean the only floaters being some kind of identity. and you are torn between extreme detachment and extreme attachment as you vacillate between different identities seeking approval from others and nothing seems to stick and you alienate your friends because they get freaked out by your weirdness and extremeness.

i even thought i was animal once and had like these mini psychotic breaks as an extreme form of coping. this wasn't me merely being not invested in work, no i didn't get that far. i couldn't do any work because i was so fuked up.

i was visibly mentally ill. when my employer called me to fire me he even said i was fuked and need help lol.

and i knew why at the time, it was identity issues...and it was underlying my depression, paranoia, fears of abandonment as i pushed people away but then sought them out again even hours later franticly, overly sexual to distract myself from what i was feeling inside...basically borderline behaviour

and i felt on the borderline. it's an apt description. and i recognize exactly the signs and symptoms in others who actually have BPD, and not a poorly affixed label.