Famous People with ASPD

Mark Wahlberg is probably aspd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

Wahlberg had been in trouble 20–25 times with the Boston Police Department in his youth. By age 13, Wahlberg had developed an addiction to cocaine and other substances.[9][10] At fifteen, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for his involvement in two separate incidents of harassing African-American children (the first some siblings and the second a group of black school children on a field trip), by throwing rocks and shouting racial epithets.[11] At 16, Wahlberg approached a middle-aged Vietnamese man on the street and, using a large wooden stick, knocked him unconscious while yelling a racial epithet. That same day, he also attacked another Vietnamese man, leaving the victim permanently blind in one eye.[12][13]

For these crimes, Wahlberg was charged with attempted murder, pleaded guilty to assault, and was sentenced to two years in state prison at Boston's Deer Island House of Correction. He served 45 days of his sentence.[12][14] In another incident, the 21-year-old Wahlberg fractured the jaw of a neighbor in an unprovoked attack.[15] Commenting in 2006 on his past crimes, Wahlberg has stated: "I did a lot of things that I regret, and I have certainly paid for my mistakes." He said the right thing to do would be to try to find the blinded man and make amends, and admitted he has not done so, but added that he was no longer burdened by guilt: "You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn't until I really started doing good and doing right by other people, as well as myself, that I really started to feel that guilt go away. So I don't have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning."[16]

Edward Bunker and Danny Trejo would have to be pretty strong candidates if you go off the DSM.

gibkid wrote:then go somewhere else?

Why would I?

Your head is leaking again, time to re-adjust that diaper before they cart you off to emergency for another shot of antipsychotics up the arse.

Just sayin'.

If you're really so hellbent on talking about conduct disorder, there's the appropriate subforum for that in the Developmental Disorders section >> conduct-disorder/

yeah Mark Wahlberg, definitely no psychopath. probably ASPD.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2012/05/p ... -aspd.html

Reuters reports on how the brains of psychopathic criminals show distinctly less grey matter in the areas of the brain important for understanding the emotions of others. These differences in brain structure were different even from other criminals who were diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).

cyrus_the_virus wrote:Mark Wahlberg is probably aspd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

Wahlberg had been in trouble 20–25 times with the Boston Police Department in his youth. By age 13, Wahlberg had developed an addiction to cocaine and other substances.[9][10] At fifteen, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for his involvement in two separate incidents of harassing African-American children (the first some siblings and the second a group of black school children on a field trip), by throwing rocks and shouting racial epithets.[11] At 16, Wahlberg approached a middle-aged Vietnamese man on the street and, using a large wooden stick, knocked him unconscious while yelling a racial epithet. That same day, he also attacked another Vietnamese man, leaving the victim permanently blind in one eye.[12][13]

For these crimes, Wahlberg was charged with attempted murder, pleaded guilty to assault, and was sentenced to two years in state prison at Boston's Deer Island House of Correction. He served 45 days of his sentence.[12][14] In another incident, the 21-year-old Wahlberg fractured the jaw of a neighbor in an unprovoked attack.[15] Commenting in 2006 on his past crimes, Wahlberg has stated: "I did a lot of things that I regret, and I have certainly paid for my mistakes." He said the right thing to do would be to try to find the blinded man and make amends, and admitted he has not done so, but added that he was no longer burdened by guilt: "You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn't until I really started doing good and doing right by other people, as well as myself, that I really started to feel that guilt go away. So I don't have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning."[16]

Oh man you guys are incredible. This is normal behavior considering where he is from. Conduct disorder isn't just some moments of loss of control or some crimes when a juvenile. But whatever.

well he mentions the feeling of guilt, so psychopathy is probably out. sure he could be lying, and might be a psychopath displaying glib/superficial charm. he's been in a few movies though and is a stellar actor. nothing superficial or glib about it. so yeah, no psychopathy, whatever damage cocaine did was probably absolutely minimal.

sure, i don't know this, but the feeling of the world caving in on you, or pressure, or threats that aren't even real threats, and then reacting with violence. that's ASPD. i'd have to question of a confrontation that was a genuine threat even qualifies one as ASPD.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2012/05/p ... -aspd.html

Research shows that most violent crimes are committed by a small group of persistent male offenders with ASPD. . . . Such people typically react in an aggressive way to frustration or perceived threats, but most are not psychopaths, the researchers wrote in a summary of their study, which was published in the Archives of General Psychiatry journal.

it's tough to know who all his targets were, but generally they were racial or unprovoked. that might be delusional threat, or blame misdirected against society, qualifying him as aspd. only speculating, i don't know that with certainty.

wiki says...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

Wahlberg had a Roman Catholic[6][7] upbringing and attended Copley Square High School (but never graduated) on Newbury Street in Boston. He received his high school diploma in June 2013.[8]

if that's dropping out or expulsion, that basically qualifies as conduct disorder, and the repeated aggressive offenses count as a second criteria met, and total disregard for the safety of others a third, and he looks like a quick fuse, so that's at least four criteria met.

i could be wrong though Zealot. there is nothing to hint that there was early problems with conduct disorder, no evidences of early traumas or catalysts. he might have been all around balanced and simply got a taste for fighting.

so basically, the individuals developmental stage, or environment doesn't make it normal.

i don't truly understand it myself, whether it's curable or what. i mean they say a head injury isn't responsible for a personality disorder, but yeah, if you get a head injury and your personality changes, well, that's a personality disorder. same with drugs.

wooster wrote: It was all over the headlines in 2012 summer - a peculiar significance to this forum is that the perpetrator himself posted about it here two weeks prior he chopped up the chinese bloke. His cameo appearance earnt us our 5 minutes of fame, with visitor counts topping 900 at points - even featured on countless news pages.
Here's the thread: antisocial-personality/topic89464.html?hilit=icepick%20magnotta#p809342 (anonymousgirl14 is L. Magnotta)

Ha...and he didn't post asking if he has ASPD or anything. Cool find

An AsPD model I happen to kinda agree with is bi-modal:
-Sociopath subtype. An AsPD person who's antisocial behavior is more influenced - triggered- by nurture: their social environment. More or less neuro-typically normal people who grow up under difficult, feral conditions. For example, rank and file organized crime / gang members, under conditions in which anti-social behavior and criminality is at least temporarily adaptive, or accepted. These folks probably commit most of the crime - petty, ordinary or violent - attributed to AsPDs. For example, Al Capone /Mark Wahlberg?

-Psychopath subtype. An AsPD person who's antisocial behavior is more influenced by their nature: their neurobiology and genetics. Examples would be people who grew up under fairly normal conditions, but nevertheless came to exhibit anti-social behavior: Dahlmer, Bundy, etc.
And maybe this dude, who was a respected part of the French military establishment, and famous back in his day:

Gilles de Montmorency-Laval (also known as baron Gilles de Rais) (prob. c. September 1405 – 26 October 1440), Baron de Rais, was a Breton knight, a leader in the French army and a companion-in-arms of Joan of Arc. He is best known by his reputation and conviction as a prolific serial killer of children.

Victim count: 80 / 200 / 600? Although later on, Aleister Crowley thought de Rais was framed by the Church (like Crowley, de Rais was into the occult, or at least pagan spirituality).
Of course most psychopaths aren't murderers; depending on how adaptive they are they might have no criminal violations and could even be corporate biz types (read "Snakes in Suits," by Hare and Babiak).
But pure sociopaths or psychopaths, although they serve to illustrate two different causal processes, are probably less common. In most pwAsPD, maybe like Manson, for example, there are causal processes that can be attributed to both nature and nurture - I.e., his early experiences in juvie and foster homes throwing the switch on an underlying neuro-biological potential (?)

I don't think a violent youth amounts to Aspd.

By definition, Aspd is an enduring condition.

However, I do think a violent youth makes for a better violent actor, as the actor actually has some insight/experience regarding their role that they can draw on.

This is the principle behind method acting.

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Like if Marky Mark was still getting into trouble now then maybe Aspd would be warranted...