IQ test

crystal_richardson_ wrote:The bottom line is, it's easier to obtain a middle-class lifestyle/standard of living in Sweden than it is in say, India, or Russia, starting from the bottom.

No it's the same in all countries. Because the standard varies. :­P

Obsidian wrote:In Africa people starve yet they are happy, and in our countries people kill themselves because they don't think they get enough attention.

It's not about how big a problem is, it's about how big you make it. :­P

I agree, but you are not always the one determining the size of the problem.

Our perceptions are shaped by media, the family we grew up in, and a host of other external influences that many people are not even conscious of that influence them and how they think.

A tendency toward a certain mentality created by one's society, even rich societies, is no less compelling or influential in determining one's happiness or actions toward the latter than starvation.

-- Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:45 am --

Obsidian wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:The bottom line is, it's easier to obtain a middle-class lifestyle/standard of living in Sweden than it is in say, India, or Russia, starting from the bottom.

No it's the same in all countries. Because the standard varies. :­P

I'm sorry but that's not what the research says. We have a concept in the social sciences to describe it, it's called "Social Mobility", and countries due vary in it.

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I'm sorry but that's not what the research says. We have a concept in the social sciences to describe it, it's called "Social Mobility", and countries due vary in it.

Are you talking about the gaps between classes? That the middle class here is a lot bigger than in other countries and that the underclass is smaller?
Sure, it's easier to be in the middle class here in that sense, but there's still a standard in the middle. And the standard is as hard elsewhere as here to reach. :­P

crystal_richardson_ wrote:but you are not always the one determining the size of the problem.

I disagree, it's what you make it. :­P

Obsidian wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:I'm sorry but that's not what the research says. We have a concept in the social sciences to describe it, it's called "Social Mobility", and countries due vary in it.

Are you talking about the gaps between classes? That the middle class here is a lot bigger than in other countries and that the underclass is smaller?
Sure, it's easier to be in the middle class here in that sense, but there's still a standard in the middle. And the standard is as hard elsewhere as here to reach. :­P

I am referring to the ability to move from social class to social class. Countries vary in this. In Sweden, if you're born poor you have a better chance at reaching middle than in say Russia, where if you are born poor it's much more likely you will remain in poverty regardless of how hard you work, perseverance, time/money management, etc; the people that do rise out of poverty usually have some exceptional talent or gift. But they are an exception.

Nah, getting rich is hard here, maybe harder. Think of all the taxes. Rich people here tend to flee the country to other countries with less taxes because they want to remain rich. :­P

And our poor isn't the same poor as yours, just the same as your poor isn't the same as Africa poor.

Here it is pretty much with few exceptions three classes. Lower, middle and upper middle class. And those are the ones you can move between. :­P

-- Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:32 am --

Well, Canada is pretty much the same I think. I was referring more to the U.S there. :­P

Oh, are we still having this convo? I thought I left to work on stuff.

I love the way people who get paid for their work react to people who work their asses off but don't get paid. Like we couldn't possibly be working if nobody's paying us for it. You should see what the CAS have done to some of the other women here. I'm actually quite proud of the fight I put up for my son. It cost me everything, but he's not getting drugged up and battered by asshole foster parents like some of their kids.

Anyway, the CAS are gone and I'm rebuilding, so why are you still going on with your cracker rant about me Obs? You asked why I couldn't do the IQ test on a cel phone and I answered you.

I gotta go, so go troll somebody else. This girlie might even be the roomie I need. No fuking way am I letting some internet troll stand in the way of that

Wealth Mobility...

Then you've got Wealth Equalities...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... e_equality

Then you've got predictive style charts like these...

http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=54



Then you've got areas which cannot sustain Universities...



Anyways... when you are born, you have an IQ of Zero... success might have correlated with intelligence as being successful may ask more of you in terms of your brain. More exercising of the brain, more success, more IQ.

If it helps, when I was young, my IQ was through the roof. Or to be accurate, they pegged me in the 99% percentile, I rapidly dissolved that and underachieved as much as possible. So much so, that I fear IQ tests today, as really the only way from the 99% percentile, is down...

I don't accredit the smarts to my genetics, nor my rather unwitty parents, nor the TV, or my education.

My parents traveled a lot when I was young, a lot, and it opened my eyes to new, perhaps challenging environments very often.

Like when people buy their kids those fancy challenging or creative toys in the hopes to raise their IQ's. I saw beaches, strange people, strange food every day, ect...

I can just imagine a young childs IQ raising like 0.00002 points after going wide eyed seeing a fireworks display... common sense stuff like that...

Obsidian,

I said middle class, not rich

So if Sweden has relatively high social mobility, which it does compared to countries like Russia, then it would be easier to move from lower middle to middle or upper middle class.

MrOmega wrote:

crystal_richardson_ wrote:Canada has been systemically eradicating 'the aboriginal problem' for centuries (almost complete); and it isn't just being aboriginal, it's being poor or of a different ethnicity generally.

What?

Yeah, poverty eradicates whole peoples. So Canada is poor... there is nothing about Canada which suppresses Natives. In fact, they bend over backwards with land disputes, casinos, fewer taxes, and what happens? Entrepreneurs move in with Heroin... (I read something about the Vancover Islands having the bigger problems, who knows, maybe that's FOBs)

Bend over backwards? Natives have been marginalized to small reserves in Canada, the largest surviving of which I think is the Caledonia reserve in Ontario which is already being infiltrated by greedy capitalists for resource exploitation.

The plan is to eradicate the Natives, this has always been the plan, but they are doing and have been doing it slowly by taking more and more of their land to the point where they have very little now; making living conditions on their land difficult or even unbearable (where it would make more sense to leave the reserve and assimilate into modern, mainstream society - thus exercising their free 'choice'); allowing capitalists to go in and exploit the resources of the land designated to them; etc etc...

I don't see how this is bending over backwards for the Natives...

After I said that I was the one responsible for my own privileges you cracked this:

Xena wrote:Wrong.

You were lucky enough to be born in the right place at the right time.

Yet you have no idea of how my situation looks or how much work I have put into it. You were being ignorant and I pointed that out. :­P

crystal_richardson_ wrote:Obsidian,

I said middle class, not rich

So if Sweden has relatively high social mobility, which it does compared to countries like Russia, then it would be easier to move from lower middle to middle or upper middle class.

Middle class is middle class, and in that sense it's harder to change class here. The life of someone in upper and someone in lower middle class isn't all that different. :­P