"non compliance with treatment disorder" DSM code V15.81

Non-compliance with treatment disorder? That's the ultimate psychiatric bullet. If you refuse to accept the diagnosis some charletan gives you, then you also have this V15.81

Personal history of noncompliance with medical treatment, presenting hazards to health
•Short description: Hx of past noncompliance.
•ICD-9-CM V15.81 is a billable medical code that can be used to specify a diagnosis on a reimbursement claim.

But wait !!! There are no lab tests, brain scans, X-rays or chemical imbalance tests that can verify any mental disorder is a physical condition. This is not to say that people do not get depressed, or that people can’t experience emotional or mental duress, but psychiatry has repackaged these emotions and behaviors as “disease” in order to sell drugs.

I always knew they wanted to make someone with an opposition to the medical model and to the brain disease hypothesis as technically a delusion, if not the patient hasn;t been educated in the same manner to believe the hype and propaghanda and marketing ploys of the pharmacuetical industry....everything a psychiatrist thinks they know and is wiser then the patient lack of insight is borrowed and regurgitated from all sources of information being funded by drug companies, maybe some patients know better and can see through the psuedo-scienti9fic world of biased drug money studies and lack of proper control group with long term humainly treated psychotics that recover up to and over 50-70percent of the time, they wanna get you on meds before you recover spontaeneously if you have that disposition and self assurance that you will recover and take steps to improve the situation you're in.

They have no ability to identify sub-groups of schizophrenics that are purely episodic in some countries identified as cycloid psychosis, those that have breif self-regulated experience and never detach from their rational mind and as John weir Perry states resolving pre-psychotic personality defiecits and yeah I've seen the light from within a recovering psychosis that my future could be bright and want to recover from a life run over by psychiatric stigma and influencing family dynamics and what is left of voice of reason or perhaps enlightenment to ever challenge them seen as part of an illness and they escape challenge with psychiatry acting as an opiate for their ignorance of natural stages of spiritual development.

However a stressfull and insulting environment that agrivates the sensitive individuals psyche as a hostile environment replying naturally with hostility. professionals are insensitive and un-insightfull to the real conditions they provide and take the reactions as known symptoms, including reactions to the drugs in the last howevermany years schizophrenia has only typically been observed in a state of being in drug induced mind altered state for the purpose of suppressing higher function of the mind and reduce the individual to passive and apathetic state that is considered recovered from agitated one in the face of oppression.

They dont know any better and it turns out the drugs they give youu has side-effects on cognative function and motivation levels that would scientifically occur by blocking dopamine function in the brain and is typical symptoms of the disease in the eyes of a professional, how blind can they be and they ignore your claims that the drug is having a noticable effect on things like working memory and psychomotor retardation and giving one a kind of though disorder and apathy hopelessness that is attributed to blocking dopamine and considered "part of the illness" like they think the drugs are actually supposed to bbe helping with what the drugs give you, people adapt or some drugs have less impact on cognative skills so they think it is treatment, how rediculous [pardon me if anyone has ever had naturally occuring symptoms that are definately not from the treatment, I know some symptoms must act on different action to typical effects of the drugs on cognative function and intellect, like they make for shallow functioning, if only I had terminology to communicate what they are actually doing for psychosis specifically, even if to prevent another outbreak yet making the brain more sensitive if ever withdrawn.
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They have only got research that recently that's how schizophrenics are, yeah they only seee the ones that are treated and no attention is given to recovered ones that prove that psychiatry is run on lies and there is no brain disease that isn't attributed to the effects of the drugs.

I mean yeah they like to see it as part of the illness and a reason to force treatments for the patients inferior state of mind that they believe is the result of brain disease, even if you're totally infuriated and agitated by their lack insightfull treatment approaches and pulling of strings to legally represent you as unable to provide informed consent to treatment and having notible symptoms that need treatment-even if the symptoms are grossly misinterpreted as I know I've experienced from professionals.

and if they don;t want to be put on that level of patient and dwindling ability to be outspoken fades with the treatment they are considered recovered from grandeous ideaology.

Sorry I come accross scrambled, for some reason this topic scrambles my writing skills

Razael wrote: I always knew they wanted to make someone with an opposition to the medical model and to the brain disease hypothesis as technically a delusion, if not the patient hasn;t been educated in the same manner to believe the hype and propaghanda and marketing ploys of the pharmacuetical industry....everything a psychiatrist thinks they know and is wiser then the patient lack of insight is borrowed and regurgitated from all sources of information being funded by drug companies, maybe some patients know better and can see through the psuedo-scienti9fic world of biased drug money studies and lack of proper control group with long term humainly treated psychotics that recover up to and over 50-70percent of the time, they wanna get you on meds before you recover spontaeneously if you have that disposition and self assurance that you will recover and take steps to improve the situation you're in.

They have no ability to identify sub-groups of schizophrenics that are purely episodic in some countries identified as cycloid psychosis, those that have breif self-regulated experience and never detach from their rational mind and as John weir Perry states resolving pre-psychotic personality defiecits and yeah I've seen the light from within a recovering psychosis that my future could be bright and want to recover from a life run over by psychiatric stigma and influencing family dynamics and what is left of voice of reason or perhaps enlightenment to ever challenge them seen as part of an illness and they escape challenge with psychiatry acting as an opiate for their ignorance of natural stages of spiritual development.

However a stressfull and insulting environment that agrivates the sensitive individuals psyche as a hostile environment replying naturally with hostility. professionals are insensitive and un-insightfull to the real conditions they provide and take the reactions as known symptoms, including reactions to the drugs in the last howevermany years schizophrenia has only typically been observed in a state of being in drug induced mind altered state for the purpose of suppressing higher function of the mind and reduce the individual to passive and apathetic state that is considered recovered from agitated one in the face of oppression.

They dont know any better and it turns out the drugs they give youu has side-effects on cognative function and motivation levels that would scientifically occur by blocking dopamine function in the brain and is typical symptoms of the disease in the eyes of a professional, how blind can they be and they ignore your claims that the drug is having a noticable effect on things like working memory and psychomotor retardation and giving one a kind of though disorder and apathy hopelessness that is attributed to blocking dopamine and considered "part of the illness" like they think the drugs are actually supposed to bbe helping with what the drugs give you, people adapt or some drugs have less impact on cognative skills so they think it is treatment, how rediculous [pardon me if anyone has ever had naturally occuring symptoms that are definately not from the treatment, I know some symptoms must act on different action to typical effects of the drugs on cognative function and intellect, like they make for shallow functioning, if only I had terminology to communicate what they are actually doing for psychosis specifically, even if to prevent another outbreak yet making the brain more sensitive if ever withdrawn.
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They have only got research that recently that's how schizophrenics are, yeah they only seee the ones that are treated and no attention is given to recovered ones that prove that psychiatry is run on lies and there is no brain disease that isn't attributed to the effects of the drugs.

I mean yeah they like to see it as part of the illness and a reason to force treatments for the patients inferior state of mind that they believe is the result of brain disease, even if you're totally infuriated and agitated by their lack insightfull treatment approaches and pulling of strings to legally represent you as unable to provide informed consent to treatment and having notible symptoms that need treatment-even if the symptoms are grossly misinterpreted as I know I've experienced from professionals.

and if they don;t want to be put on that level of patient and dwindling ability to be outspoken fades with the treatment they are considered recovered from grandeous ideaology.

Sorry I come accross scrambled, for some reason this topic scrambles my writing skills

Your writing skills are damb good and way better than mine, I like to I copy cat to help spead the word of surviving psychiatry and the fraud of it all but I get mentaly tired real quick trying to put a long writng together. You wrote

Razael wrote: " even if you're totally infuriated and agitated by their lack insightfull treatment approaches and pulling of strings to legally represent you as unable to provide informed consent to treatment and having notible symptoms that need treatment-even if the symptoms are grossly misinterpreted as I know I've experienced from professionals "

I lived the above , that SOB doctor had me totally infuriated and agitated by threatening me with a forced long acting " Risperdal Rape " for disagreeing with his Rx and then calls my reaction to this threats made towards me behind locked doors symptoms of a disease ! I bet if I got some big guys together and a big needle full of risperdal consta and we cornered that "doctor" alone somewhere he would also display some behavoir that could be called symtoms of a mental illness. After we tied him down and injected the stuff into his body the reations to the trama we inflicted and the drug itself could also be called symptoms !

Razael wrote: no attention is given to recovered ones that prove that psychiatry is run on lies

There is a website all about recovery from psychiatry http://www.madinamerica.com We have to make noise to get attention , big phama and psych like the lies of status quo cause its big $ billions $ BIG . Every topic, post and link to the truth is noise, the status quo is already doomed but the faster its hisory the better.

Razael wrote: if only I had terminology to communicate what they are actually doing for psychosis specifically, even if to prevent another outbreak yet making the brain more sensitive if ever withdrawn.

I lived it/have it , It was named "tardive psychosis" not by psych but by psychiatric survivors. Tardive psychosis or "supersensitivity psychosis" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_psychosis

Tardive psychosis is the same mechanism of action as what the addiction field calls "progression" only difference is the technicality of what drugs are "addictive" or just create dependence do to withdrawal reactions.

Keep writing and spreading the truth !

thanks for saying I write good, last forum I was on I got booted for being anti-psyhciatry on a pro-med site and they gave me a hard tome for being incoherent, I kinda enjoyed that place for being the black sheep and continually getting a hard time from ADmins. I suspected just like a doctor giving someone with too much on his or her plate the title thought disorder...that site they just see a long post and skim over it so it doesn't make sense or something then give me a hard time about it. good to hear the opposite on this place, or the members are able to read or something.... thought I was a bit disordered

Another thing about this "disorder" is I heard psychiatrists are called in with non-compliant patients in areas other then mental health like in the ICU if their cultural background makes them not want treatment or for whatever other reason.... I'm glad I've never been in the predicament to avoid life-saving medicines if they were life-saving or it was the opinion of a quack or alternatives were available, all of western medicine has the same kind of conflicts of interest especially cancer treatments that cures are often suppressed or outlawed unfortunately, chemo makes the Rockefeller's too much dosh.
I guess that's why they bring in psychiatry because psychiatry is renowned for making people compliant that's about all they do in a lot of cases, sure as hell don;t have a good understanding of the drugs they prescribe, only relying on what the drug companies choose to disclose to the FDA. What about cognitive deficits, depth of intellect [that is therapeutically effective in blocking the consciousness from getting deluded from over interpreting the environment or ability to experience transliminal experiences]. they got this fantasy that the drugs help with typical symptoms of schizophrenia that is typically studied from drug effected patients with cognitive deficits from the drugs, or yeah maybe some people have organic problems with cognitive function but it works on a different mechanism to the side-effects of the drugs.. I know from my own experience is some have less negative effects then others, I could go on but its not the place for it.

Once you are wrongly accused of having a chemical imbalance in your brain by the mental health industry you are really in a trap from which escape is very difficult. As I said in a recent post non compliance is due to efficiacy and tollerability. i.e. you find that the drugs do not work and the side effects are very unpleasant. The obvious response is to stop taking the drugs, but the industry counters that by saying that is a disorder. Realistically who wants to take drugs that at the very least will make you obese and sap all your energy. At worst you will suffer serious complications such as pituitary gland tumours. http://www.resource4thepeople.com/defectivedrugs/risperdal.html. In terms of efficiacy antipsychotics are supposed to, amongst other things, cure you of your delusions. Does any one really believe that a drug can identify a false belief from a true belief and erradicate it from your thinking?

They have a couple of other techniques to trap you. First is insight. If you disagree with the diagnosis then you lack insight into your mental illness which is taken as further evidence that you are mentally ill. This means that you don't have the right to disagree with what is just an opinion of a psychiatrist who has no scientific evidence to substantiate his claim that you are mentally ill. In the case of delusions for example, the false belief may revolve around a subject of which the psychiatrist has very little knowledge in which case you should have every right to disagree with the diagnosis. The second trap is if, after you have explained your thinking and then been accused of being mentally ill, you no longer wish to have dialogue with the person who has wrongly diagnosed you. In this case you are accused of being guarded, which is taken as evidence that you are mentally ill. Actually all you are doing is exercising your right to privacy, but once in the mental health system this right along with all the others you should be afforded are taken away from you.

I hope this ponzi scheme comes crashing down sooner rather than later.

edgnbd wrote:Does any one really believe that a drug can identify a false belief from a true belief and erradicate it from your thinking?

Good point.

What next? Refusing To Spend $100k On A Fancy Car To Impress A Bunch Of Materialistic Asshats Disorder? Can't Admit My Boobies Are Too Small Disorder? Jeez Louise, I should get into a fake diagnosis&pill peddling racket. I need the money

Xena wrote:What next? Refusing To Spend $100k On A Fancy Car To Impress A Bunch Of Materialistic Asshats Disorder?

Work at slave wage to help someone with a Materialistic Asshats Disorder to buy that Fancy Car.
Don't worry, it is unlikely they will allow you to keep that 100k if they think you might have it.

edgnbd wrote:In terms of efficiacy antipsychotics are supposed to, amongst other things, cure you of your delusions. Does any one really believe that a drug can identify a false belief from a true belief and erradicate it from your thinking?

I hope this ponzi scheme comes crashing down sooner rather than later.

I think the drugs just make for less depth in cognative funtion, or people become more passive to what is going on in their mind so it dissolves the delusions, it is definitely a by-product of lowering dopamine and there is no verifyable evidence that dopamine is responsible for psychosis, yeah they claim to have other ideas in development yet it seems these originall drugs are here to stay....

The mentality needs a nudge especially identifying how any normal person would behave in the same situation, yet they just say there is a reason for one to be hospitalised to excuse the gross insensitivity to the situation

I was wondering if some of the favourable research into antipsychotics was factitious.

I came across this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/mar/02/mythoftheantipsychotic which describes research that found antipsychotics are ineffective and harmful. My own experiences corroborate this research. I think that it is fair to say that this research was probably not funded by a company that deals in antipsychotics, which makes it more objective.