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is psychiatry quackery or cool

Postby speakerboxx » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:08 pm

Many people think that mentally ill people are funny. They laugh at them when they are sent into mental institutions and are handcuffed down to beds and tranquilized. People think it is funny when people believe that there are trees that are talking to them and when they believe that they are God. People think it is funny when people kill themselves and throw their lives away when you get into drugs and alcohol. Psychiatrists and shrinks a like feed into this common place foolery and hand out deadly drugs to every sad person that has a little problem that walks into their office. He just sits at his computer typing and goes "Yep" "Yep" "Yep". It is absolutely ridiculous where psychiatry has gone these days. My psychiatrist hands out medications to me like Ativan , Risperdal, and Prozac, and Zoloft. He hands them out like they are cure-alls and there are no risks of brain damage and harmul side effects.
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Postby ITSEVIL » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:24 pm

I asked my psychiatrist if the respiradal was safe?He said YES.

HE IS A ######6 LIAR! :evil:

LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD! QUACKERY!
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Postby jdnewell » Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:02 pm

Most shrinks couldn't find their ass, with both hands and a flashlight! :P
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Postby Butterfly Faerie » Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:20 pm

I have a wonderful psychiatrist, she never through me in the hospital, never forced me to take medication.

She is not a quack, she has helped me through my worse times, and continues to do so 10 yrs later.

I will admit that there are people who have been forced into it which is not right... but there are lot of good doctors out there.

NOT everyone who is put into psychiatric wards are strapped down and injected with drugs, it does occur though and whether or not their is a reason for it I don't know, as i've never once expierenced it or had the threat of it.

Just telling you with my expierence with psychiatry has been wonderful... a life saver.
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Postby Guest » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:16 pm

The way to sell drugs is to sell psychiatric illness.

Psychiatrists are just drug company stooges inventing disease for profit.

Psychiatry is quackery and fraud.
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Postby Scimitar » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:03 am

I think that psychiatry, as a whole is quackery, but that does not make every person in the practice a demon. Depression medication is to me a manufactured need, but from my own years of experience as a patient, there are some who are motivated by genuine benevolence. The last one that I had was an example of one who was genuinely motivated.

By all means, psychiatry is often a playing ground for some brutal mistreatment of people. In fact, a few years ago at a local mental hospital, a young female inpatient was raped by one of the staff members (though this is not necessarily reflective of psychiatry as a whole - or at least, I hope not!)
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Postby fomori4hire » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:50 am

Scimitar wrote:I think that psychiatry, as a whole is quackery, but that does not make every person in the practice a demon. Depression medication is to me a manufactured need, but from my own years of experience as a patient, there are some who are motivated by genuine benevolence. The last one that I had was an example of one who was genuinely motivated.


Well put. Psychiatric propoganda is often presented as pervasive in our culture. If that is so, psychiatrists are just as likely to be subjected to it, perhaps more so, as they, and others in the medical industry, are encouraged to take continued education seminars which are funded by pharmaceutical companies. If you want to keep your competative edge in the work force, you need to continue training. If the training is a week long explaination as to why you need to use this particular drug, paid for by the company who made the drug, what kind of education are you really getting?

If this were the only industry in which continued education doubled as a long comercial, we'd be in a much better situation than we are now.
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Postby Guest » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:18 am

A summary of the Accusation of the Russell Tribunal
on Human Rights in Psychiatry
in the Urania-Haus, An der Urania 17, 10787 Berlin - June/July, 2001

1. Mental illness is a legal-psychiatric fiction. If the term refers to brain diseases, then the patients' legal status and medical care ought to conform to the status and care of other patients with diseases of the central nervous system; and the specialists caring for them ought to be (be called) "neurologists."
2. Psychiatric practices rest on the twin pillars of civil commitment and the insanity defense. Neither intervention serves the best interests of the patient. Both interventions serve the interests of the patient's adversaries and/or of the family or society.
3. The fiction of mental illness inexorably generates its corollary, the fiction of psychiatric treatment. Combined with coercion (civil commitment), the concept of psychiatric treatment thus becomes a ready weapon, in the hands of the family or the state, for controlling, punishing, and destroying individuals unwanted by those in control of the psychiatric vocabulary, especially those in political authority. But for the fiction of treatment of illness, such conduct would be recognized as torture.
4. Article 18 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights guarantees the right to freedom of thought to everyone. This guarantee is not restricted to thoughts deemed by the state to be sane and not contingent on the person's having to prove he is not suffering from "mental illness." Psychiatry's basic principles and practices constitute a massive, ongoing violation of this Article of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
5. The role of psychiatrists as medical judges and executioners in Nazi Germany, and their role as medical judges, jailers, and torturers in the Soviet Union, Communist China, and so-called democratic countries illustrate the inexorable consequences of currently accepted psychiatric principles and practices.

Charge:

Psychiatry claims that there is a scientific basis for treating conduct, deemed abnormal by psychiatrists, as a medical illness; and to "diagnose" and "treat" persons so identified without their consent and against their express wishes. Accordingly, we charge psychiatry as a profession, and psychiatrists as persons and physicians, with the following outrages against humanity:

Psychiatry,
a) makes the psychiatric profession the final arbiter of normalcy, converting societal normative judgments into pseudo-medical ones that psychiatrists are uniquely qualified to impose;
b) creates the status condition called "mental illness" that can be ascribed for malevolent, negligent, or paternalistic reasons; moreover, since there are no physical markers to examine, the so-called "diagnosis" cannot be disproved by those accused; psychiatry thus creates a status of human subservience to those legitimized with identifying who is mentally ill;
c) dehumanizes and delegimizes individuals characterized as "mentally ill," by attributing to them non-responsibility for their illegal or immoral acts;
d) distorts the concept of individual responsibility, depriving some persons accused of crimes even of the protections of the criminal process, substituting for it an inquisitorial examination of their "mental health," aimed at defining them as mentally ill;
e) supports the psychiatric incarceration of those found mentally irresponsible for crime, a disposition often harsher and longer than punishment for the acts the defendants are accused of having committed;
f) encourages preventive detention by casting a wide net of future dangerousness in the guise of mental health diagnosis, under the pretext that it is an effective method for preventing some persons from doing harm;
g) stigmatizes those identified as mentally ill, providing opportunity to those who would discredit their political views, deny them employment, or mistreat them in other ways;
h) forcibly imposes interventions, euphemized as "treatments," on those identified as mentally ill, despite their refusal to be treated, and encourages drugging persons not incarcerated in so called "out patient" status, to re-inforce the psychiatric view that their (mis)behavior is an illness and to make them more docile;
i) supports, through the diagnosis of mental illness, the legal mechanism of imposed guardianship, thus expropriating the property of some persons so diagnosed. As a direct result of these premises, psychiatrists initiated the extermination of "undesirables" in Germany in the 1930s. Psychiatric principles and practices helped the Soviet Union, and now help the Chinese Communist government, hide, as medical treatment, a system of incarcerating, torturing, and discrediting dissidents. The same psychiatric principles and practices have encouraged, and continue to encourage the deprivation of human rights in the United States and many other countries.

http://www.freedom-of-thought.de/rt/accusation.htm
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Postby chickadee » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:07 am

If all mental diseases are made up I must have some serious effing problems. I was depressed several years ago, and this was NOT the normal me--it was different from how I was before and how I am now. I didn't imagine that.

Also, the Zoloft I took kept me from feeling as down and sad as I had been feeling. Nothing before that worked, so I think it's safe to say that it was the drug working for me. Also, I don't think a placebo would have worked since I upped the dosage twice before I got results. Once I was at the right dosage I noticed a big difference. Maybe I was the only one that they made the diagnoses and drugs for. :wink: I can't speak for the rest, but without Zoloft and a good shrink, I might be dead today.

I think in psychiatry, as in all things, one must proceed with caution and realize that temperance is key. There are bad people out there in every job there is. Shrinks are no more an exception than accountants and botanists. Watch out for them even more carefully in the health field since you hand them a lot of power by giving them at least partial control over your mind and body. It's a lot more important than your checkbook or your garden.
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Postby Guest » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:35 am

temperance doesn't come into it when your being forcefully treated for a so-called disease that there is no known cause for........ the only cause is a pack of lies made up by quacks working for the state as highly paid social control agents.

psychiatrists violate human rights, there should be no forced treatment under any circumstances.

if a person chooses to live their life in a way that does not adhere to social norms.....this does not equate to a disease that some quack can forcefully intervene and inject them with toxic drugs in an aim to give them the equivalent of a chemical lobotomy to shut them up so the disent is silenced.

there is no known cause for any of the "mental illnesses" people are labeled then forcefully drugged. this is an outrage, it should not occur.

if you break a just law, go to jail. no more insanity defence and no more forced drugging.
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