is psychiatry quackery or cool

They held my mother down and injected her with valium, against her will. They locked her up in hospital and we didn't see her for months.

And you know what? I'm very glad they did. Before she was sectioned and medicated against her wishes she survived for nearly fifteen years with a severe psychosis that went untreated. She tore her family apart when all they tried to do was support her. She was eventually carted off to hospital when she tried to burn our house down, with me and my brother in it. That's what talking treatments and keeping her away from psychiatry did for her.

She last took medication almost twenty years ago. She came out of hospital well, came off the meds, and got better and better. She's never needed the psychiatry profession since. I am very very glad I still have her with me, and that she didn't manage to kill the lot of us that night.

If psychiatry hadn't forced her hand, I wouldn't be here typing this now.

Psychiatry has a lot to answer for; but it also gave me back my mum. There is good and bad in all things. Don't bury the good by condemning it with the bad.

If it's forced then no, unless it's in the best interest of the paitent (forced meds aren't something I'd agree with) but sometimes it has to be done... but not if it traumatizes the paitent.

With psychiatry in general, with my personal expierence it's been wonderful. I've never felt better.

Anonymous wrote:They held my mother down and injected her with valium, against her will. They locked her up in hospital and we didn't see her for months.

And you know what? I'm very glad they did. Before she was sectioned and medicated against her wishes she survived for nearly fifteen years with a severe psychosis that went untreated. She tore her family apart when all they tried to do was support her. She was eventually carted off to hospital when she tried to burn our house down, with me and my brother in it. That's what talking treatments and keeping her away from psychiatry did for her.

She last took medication almost twenty years ago. She came out of hospital well, came off the meds, and got better and better. She's never needed the psychiatry profession since. I am very very glad I still have her with me, and that she didn't manage to kill the lot of us that night.

If psychiatry hadn't forced her hand, I wouldn't be here typing this now.

Psychiatry has a lot to answer for; but it also gave me back my mum. There is good and bad in all things. Don't bury the good by condemning it with the bad.

Just quoting this to emphasize it and to say I 100% agree. Anti-psych idiots, answer the above post. I dare you.

is a moderator going to tell this anti anti to cut the insults out?

Anonymous wrote:is a moderator going to tell this anti anti to cut the insults out?

That was uncalled for.... You always got to start something, or someone always does.. just drop it....EVERYONE has a right to their own opinon.. so don't start stuff... keep it off the forum... keeps everyone happy.

Anti-Anti-Psych,

Enough of the name calling.

In the former Soviet Union there was only one mental illess, "malingering."
The Soviets considered anyone claiming "mental illness"
was simply malingering to avoid work, to avoid adult responsibilities,
and to avoid the consequences of their actions, such as prison.

Here in the US Dr. Thomas Szasz wrote the 1961 book The Myth of Mental Illness.
The general thrust is that because many mental illnesses cannot be diagnosed
with traditional methods that mental illness is an invention of psychiatrist.
Or as Dr. Szasz put it, "Mental illness is any patient willing to spend a lot of money on psychiatrists."

I don't what causes many things and I don't know how to classify many things
but just because I don't understand something doesn't make it imaginary.

Is this drug safe or is that drug safe? I depends.
In an otherwise healthy individual a drug may be safe.
In a patient with underlying health problems a drug may not be safe.
A low dose of a drug may be safe. A short term use of a drug may be safe.
But the long-term high-dose of a drug may not be safe.

Also, there's the issue of comparative safety.
If a patient is a threat to himself/herself and/or others
then the safety of the medication isn't the first concern.
For example, anesthesiologists kill a lot of patients
but no one is suggesting major operations be performed without anesthesia.

Religion is the biggest threat to mental health
not just the religious fervor denying patient rights
but the religious dogma that shackles the minds of their sheep.

undone wrote:but the religious dogma that shackles the minds of their sheep

You would find this interesting ,

Here is a quote:

The Psychopharmaceutical Industrial Complex (PPIC) is a symbiotic system composed of the American Psychiatric Association, the pharmaceutical industry, public relations and advertising firms, patient support organizations, the National Institute of Mental Health, managed care organizations, and the flow of resources and money among these groups, according to an October 1, 2009 paper in the Journal of Mental Health Counseling, by Dr Thomas Murray, director of Counseling and Disability Services at the University of North Caroline School of Art.

Murray’s paper draws parallels between cult indoctrination and PPIC techniques and notes the similarities between cult members and mental health consumers who are vulnerable to losing their identities to the PPIC.

The PPIC and “its adherence to the disease model pervades mainstream culture and greatly impacts psychotherapy,” he says. “Consequently, the effects of the PPIC may have resulted in some psychiatric consumers adopting disease-model messages in ways similar to cult indoctrination.”


Read more http://pubrecord.org/nation/7955/psychopharmaceutical-industrial-complex/

"the disease model pervades mainstream culture..."

The sheep believe all the psychiatric mythology as fact, you will like this link.

Guest wrote:They held my mother down and injected her with valium, against her will. They locked her up in hospital and we didn't see her for months.

And you know what? I'm very glad they did. Before she was sectioned and medicated against her wishes she survived for nearly fifteen years with a severe psychosis that went untreated. She tore her family apart when all they tried to do was support her. She was eventually carted off to hospital when she tried to burn our house down, with me and my brother in it. That's what talking treatments and keeping her away from psychiatry did for her.

She last took medication almost twenty years ago. She came out of hospital well, came off the meds, and got better and better. She's never needed the psychiatry profession since. I am very very glad I still have her with me, and that she didn't manage to kill the lot of us that night.

If psychiatry hadn't forced her hand, I wouldn't be here typing this now.

Psychiatry has a lot to answer for; but it also gave me back my mum. There is good and bad in all things. Don't bury the good by condemning it with the bad.

As an 'anti' psych, I am not saying that your mother or others suffering life problems or extreme states should not be helped, or 'treated' in your words, just that this could be possible *without* force, coercion or brain damaging drugs. To be injected with valium against her will sounds awful, although I would think it lucky it was just valium she was treated with, I myself don't mind taking valium, as long as it is short term as it can be addictive, it can have a very calming affect and if she *said it was ok* this would be fine.
There are examples of alternatives to psychiatry such as Soteria House and many others in the US and other countries which I wish so much would become more mainstream yet because of the huge investment of the pharmaceutical industry in psychiatry, which I doubt u can argue against, these alternatives are not more widely used. I doubt your mother enjoyed being manhandled and injected against her will, yet if she was talked to and let stay at a caring, emotionaly supportive place (or even in her own home while she received treatment) then this would definitely have been a more humane treatment.
Studies have shown the long term outcome for those 'mi' ppl treated with anti psychotics do far better in the long term if they were *not* treated with anti psychotics.
Im glad your mother is ok now, but ask her this, did she enjoy being forced against her will and coerced into inhumane treatments when other alternatives could have been possible that would not have hurt her or damaged her body/brain?

-- Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:19 pm --

Also, because of the *one* person that psychiatry may have helped eg. your mother, what about the thousands and thousands that had to go thru brutal torture , body damage and human rights violations because of the need to *protect the community* from ppl 'like this' ie. ppl with problems/extreme states.
The laws and human rights violations that infringe on so so many ppls lives because of the very *few* that they actually manage to 'help', or 'keep locked up away from the community' for being "dangerous" *allegedly*, damage them and traumatise them forever.
Psychiatry needs to be stopped and a better way needs to be implemented.

Anti-Anti-Psych wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They held my mother down and injected her with valium, against her will. They locked her up in hospital and we didn't see her for months.

And you know what? I'm very glad they did. Before she was sectioned and medicated against her wishes she survived for nearly fifteen years with a severe psychosis that went untreated. She tore her family apart when all they tried to do was support her. She was eventually carted off to hospital when she tried to burn our house down, with me and my brother in it. That's what talking treatments and keeping her away from psychiatry did for her.

She last took medication almost twenty years ago. She came out of hospital well, came off the meds, and got better and better. She's never needed the psychiatry profession since. I am very very glad I still have her with me, and that she didn't manage to kill the lot of us that night.

If psychiatry hadn't forced her hand, I wouldn't be here typing this now.

Psychiatry has a lot to answer for; but it also gave me back my mum. There is good and bad in all things. Don't bury the good by condemning it with the bad.

Just quoting this to emphasize it and to say I 100% agree. Anti-psych idiots, answer the above post. I dare you.

There's not good and bad in all things. As for forced psychiatry, there may be some good in it, just like you could have argued that there was some good in chattel slavery, yet it is my opinion that involuntary psychiatry is inimical to the very values upon which any society that aspires to be free is founded. Simply referring to a supposed good isn't good enough, and in no way compensates for the heavy price exacted in human suffering.