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New, can I have more info?

Postby IB » Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:42 am

I am so glad that there are people who believe as I do, and that I found you. I want to know more. I want to make sure we are on the same page.

I don’t really know much. I been struggling with depression. I never believed it was disease, but I get scared when I hear it’s “genetic, it’s disease, it’s forever, and you can’t do anything about it”. I am afraid to research to find out that I am the same. I don’t want to belong to that group. I looked trough the video I just wish I didn’t have every single thing on the list, in the end they said –“good news there are pills” and I thought they are insane how could that be good, not to mention money, I will be dependent forever on this. It will be worse than drug addict, because they can quit.I don’t want my life be dependant on pills, I want to control my life. It really relieved me when they told basically that “no one knows what caused it” and question is how can they make it in fact? There has to be scientific back up. I mean can you treat any other disease with this method? I remembered that I felt good in past, and how is that possible if it genetic? (if you got any other disease it stay the same always) I do believe it’s problem which can be solved. I think I cause it by my thoughts and deeds, and if I do better I can have better. I read books on self help. By the way you are not against that right? I read about how to cope better. I think if I can incorporate it in my life it be better than pills. Maybe pills take away bad feeling (I believe with cost to person) but the problem which cause problem is steel there. I really hope you not against that, and that maybe we could talk about how person can cope and what results each got, and how we could improve, or try something else.
Regardless what I think I am afraid to talk about it with others. I don’t know for sure but I think if someone find out I can get enforced; I will get in trouble.
I don’t know the facts. Can any person get you in trouble, or only psycho… professional? Did anyone been trough anything like that? Did anyone ever been hospitalized? What do they do to you in there? How can you get out? What happens when you talk to dock? And how can he decide? What can get me in trouble? How can I stay out of it?

Also if you guys know any side effects of pills could you tell me? (Is there any long lasting?) I read some feel frozen like robots, I think they are not fully in control of their brain (Maybe as alcohol)
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Postby Guest » Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:25 am

Hello IB,

There is a lot of Drug Company advertising out there; it comes in many shapes and forms. The bottom line is drug companies want to convince you that depression has a medical cause. Many psychiatrists want you to believe depression has a medical cause. Psychophramacology is big business and its marketing advertisements are everywhere and come from everywhere.

Here is a peer-reviewed article from the Public Library of Science (PLOS) on what is known about depression to date.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlse ... ed.0020392

However, many people find antidepressants helpful. But in clinical trials, sugar pills are found to be more effective in treating depression than antidepressants (up to 75% more effective).

So it can be said that the mere facts that people are taking something they think will help them is enough to give them relief. It takes a certain mindset for the placebo effect to work. If a person is skeptical about the effectiveness of these drugs then they probably will not work and the placebo effect will not occur.

Antidepressants do have other side effects; they do change the physiology of the brain. In many cases and increased feeling of suicidal ideation, mania and an increased risk of violence can occur. So be aware of these dangers.

I truly believe the best person to address the cause of your depression is you. It's your mind, no one else can control it of give it relief.

I also believe having feelings of distress living in such an unhealthy culture as what we must endure is a sign of great sanity. That however does not help alleviate feeling like crap.

I'd give the theory that depression has a medical cause the flick and try to figure out what's going on in your life. Are there social, financial, dietary, fitness issues that need to be addressed? Are any of these the cause of your distress and can you make changes to reduce this distress.

If the problem is all in your head because your mind is a bit out of control, you need to regain control of your mind.

They don't teach us how to control our minds in this incredibly complex world and it's easy to lose control of your mind. It learns bad habits.

Our minds, if left unchecked, can become like riding a horse without a saddle or reigns. You’re just a passenger going along for the ride. It can wander anywhere and go into a lot of distressed territory.

The trick is to gain control again.

I used this simple technique to get mine back under control.

Use your minds eye to focus on the very present moment and be aware of where you are. The purpose of this is to get centered in the present moment. Most distress comes from our minds thinking about the past of possible future distress. There is very little distress in the present moment.

When you try to do this the first time you'll see it's very difficult, you'll be lucky to last 30 seconds in this centered state before your mind wants to take off. When it does take off try to pull it back to the present moment, if you cant, watch where it goes. It will probably start thinking about the future or past again.

Continually try to stay in the present moment for as long as you can.

If you learn how to get to this distress free zone (NOW) and stay there for a while and get to know it, you'll build up a great base from which to work from. It takes practice, but it is an exercise for the mind and hopefully it will help you regain control of you mind so you can stop distressed thoughts and live in the present (NOW) which is generally stress free.

Learn to watch your mind with your minds eye and watch what it's doing. It sounds easy, it's is, but it takes a lot of practice.

I hope that makes sense.

The technique is called mindfulness. Psychologists, Gurus, New age types all advocate mindfulness in one form or another. I've even read where prisoners of war have used it to cope with the trauma of POW life.


Good luck.
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