Time to get tough on mental illness ? Batman shooter

The blame goes to the psychiatrist who did not act ethically.
She knew what he was planning, but instead of breaking the confidentiality to the proper authorities as she is bound to do, she broke it to some sort of in-house committee of the University, which is unethical. And of course those people did nothing, but that is besides the point.

Clearly, the guy sought proper help that was not given.

Never getting angry is not a good goal. Anger is normal, and it will come out regardless of how hard you try to suppress it. Anger management is all about becoming aware of your underlying feelings and needs and developing healthier ways to manage upset. Rather than trying to suppress your anger, the goal is to express it in constructive ways.

I think the guy actually believed he was The Joker.

I should take the time to read all the posts, but I have a few things to say on this subject. First of all these medications are narcotic type drugs that all cause abnormal reactions in the human body. It is faulty to say that medications cause side effects as all effects are caused for a reason and are main effects, desirable or not.

If a chemical imbalance can cause abnormal behavior, then something that alters similar chemistry can cause the very illnesses that it is supposed to be treating. In fact these medications alter the very structure of the human body over time as the body responds to it. You can take a normal person that would never commit a violent act and turn them into a long term serial killer that commits violent acts over the course of years while on medications. Granted if caught their meds are likely to be changed and so whatever is causing it will likely end, but as we are seeing, these problems of violence are likely to only get worse. Most in mental health are unable to accept that they are messing with chemicals that can utterly destroy their patients lives. In some cases people with minor problems are totally destroyed by these medications. The mental health system has been know to torture and maim people going back several hundred years, modern times are no different. One of the issues you see is that those who tend to be interested in practicing mental health have a sort of, but I am the good guy syndrome. They can not acknowledge or face the possible harm they do and so redefine or outright deny that they do harm. This naturally leads to an inability to learn from mistakes or an extremely slow learning curve.

I believe the strongest evidence of what these drugs are doing is the fact that to my knowledge no where in history do you find behavior quite like what we are seeing. Man has been violent, but almost always that violence is carried out as a means to gain something for themselves or a group. I do not know of any examples, much less so many as we are seeing, of people that just go totally berserk and want to die themselves. In most cases these people seem to be driven by a mad hatred that is totally irrational, you simply do not find that in history. And when people were violent, they tended to actually care about being caught.

To my knowledge this man was deliberately taking psych meds to deaden himself so he could carry out these acts. He took meds to help him commit mass slaughter, knowing they were going to help him carry things through. If such can be verified, those that act to stand in the way of such information getting out to prevent further acts, are no better then these shooters. They are sick. There is no excuse to repress such information, NONE.

He ran into a wall last week.

Mystic Dolphin is on the right track. See The James Holmes Conspiracy, a documentary by Mark Howitt, on You Tube.

Copy_Cat wrote: Copy_Cat » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:43 am

"As yet, there are no details about the "Batman shooter's James Holmes mental health record", but the situation is a good opportunity to review some federal laws designed to prevent such tragedies, but which are not working because of practical obstacles... "

" The study showed that three months ago, thirty 30 states were not making any non-criminal mental health records available to the federal database. "

The blame game is starting already, see: http://www.policymic.com/articles/11560 ... ere-is-why

The question is: Was The Batman Shooter James Holmes already taking psychiatric drugs and having one of those little "call your doctor if" reactions ??

Psychiatric drugs known to have some horrifying "side effects" that include mania, psychosis, hallucinations, violence and even suicide.

This website is a collection of 4,800+ news stories with the full media article available, mainly criminal in nature, that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) or that were part of FDA testimony in either 1991, 2004 or 2006, in which psych drugs are mentioned.
http://ssristories.com/

April 7, 2013

Court documents released Thursday reveal that police found sertraline, a generic version of Zoloft, and Clonazepam (Klonopin) in the home of James Holmes, whose shooting rampage left 12 dead and at least 70 injured in an Aurora, Colorado movie theater last July. The papers also reveal that his psychiatrist had concluded he could pose a danger to the public after he revealed to her that he was having homicidal thoughts.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/04/psychotropics-found-in-colorado-shooter-james-holmes-apartment/

•Twelve year-old Christopher Pittman murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
•Thirteen year-old Mathew Miller hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
•Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.
•Eric Harris aged 17 (Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 in Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado, killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and injured 23 others, before killing themselves
•Christopher Pittman, aged 12, (Paxil then Zoloft). Known amongst family as 'pop-pops shadow', he had always been very close to his grandfather. Shortly after being prescribed Zoloft he shot both his grandparents dead and burned the house down.

Found that stuff here @ http://www.thesaveproject.com/

alasyon wrote:I am guessing that evidence of an "ego injury" in the weeks leading up to the shooting will emerge.

I actually think this could be a major factor, that when combined with medication such as Zoloft, could have been a horrible mental state. When this story first broke, all the guys in my laboratory said, "sounds like failed his quals." That was an overwhelming and immediate reaction that we all had before even talking with ourselves. But we all know how incredibly depressing it is to fail phd qualifiers, which he likely did. I found one article discussing the failed exam, just three days before he quit the school.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... oting.html

Anyway, quals are no joke. I know people who cracked from them. Pile on meds to an already violent personality, and who knows what could happen.

The only rational reason for killing anybody is when it's necessary to stop them from killing you or
somebody else. I spent 20 years in the U.S. Army. I always found the question on my psychiatric
evaluations "Have you ever thought about killing anybody?" to be a bit ridiculous to ask anyone in my profession which essentially was being a professional killer for the government. There are a
lot of psychological and ethical factors involved in making judgments about the need to use lethal
force and any individual who becomes a threat to the lives of others should expect those threatened
to take whatever actions they believe necessary to defend themselves, There are certain situations
in which individuals may commit murder merely due to some mental confusion such as the late Eric Strohman here in Texas who murdered a shopkeeper here due to mistakenly believing the man an Al Qaida terrorist like the ones who murdered a relative of his in the 911 attacks although he later
realized the man wasn't even a Muslim much less a terrorist. Eric's last words on his way to his execution were "There's too much hate in the world." Killing a dozen innocent people in a friendly
fire incident however might be considered merely an accidental tragedy rather than murder on the other hand in certain wartime situations requiring hasty judgments to avoid being killed first. Any
individual using lethal force will be judged by others regardless of their mental state of confused
thinking or what their intentions may have been. The verdict is up to their judge and jury.