SSRI's save a lot more teenage lives than they kill

We are not saying that it doesn't occur, but there is more going on then someone taking medication. They should be monitored while taking it, and the person's doctor, family etc even the person needs to tell people how they are feeling etc.

You can't always blame meds for that kind of behaviour.

I've never felt suicidal while on medication, and i've been on meds for 10 yrs, depression has made me feel that way, that hopeless feeling, but I'd never have done it ever.

sadgurl wrote: They should be monitored while taking it,............

What is the correct level of serotonin? There is no way to measure the correct balance, no one even knows what that is! The hypothesis that serotonin imbalances cause depression is just that, A HYPOTHESIS!

What are psychiatrists supposed to monitor when they have no means of measuring?

It may be ok with you that we lose tens of thousands of people to suicide as a direct result of people taking these meds but it's not ok with me!

For anyone wanting to find out the facts on this issue, here is an article from the Pulic Library of Science that demonstrates there is no science behind the claims being made that depression is caused serotonin imbalances.

Serotonin and Depression: A Disconnect between the Advertisements and the Scientific Literature.
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlse ... ed.0020392

It is totally unacceptable to prescribe SSRI's to people with depression and change their seotonin brain chemistry when there is absolutely no proof that serotonin imbalances have anything to do with depression. This practice is killing people!!! IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well we aren't going to agree on this obviously... It doesn't kill people, people make their own choices, not everyone can blame drugs on this subject...

sadgurl,

Please read the thread in the anti-psychforum "UK phasing out antidepressants for youth". Read the lead post from Stopthemadness.
I can't see what there is to agree on, the UK has decided to stop antidepressants for youth because they are extremely dangerous. Soon the USA will follow. Next we can hope for is that there is a total blanket ban globally for not only youth but adults as well.

Regardless what was posted with the news articles it doesn't matter Guest. I didn't say that it DOES NOT occur I'm saying that you can't put the blame soley on medication.

Quacks are writing out millions of prescriptions for antidepressants every week. In colaboration with the drug companies they claim depression is caused by a serotonin imbalance and are handing out these dangerous SSRI's like lollies.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT SEROTONIN LEVELS IN THE BRAIN CAUSE DEPRESSION. THERE IS NO KNOWN CORRECT LEVEL OF SEROTONIN, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO MEASURE LEVELS OF SEROTONIN IN A PATIENTS BRAIN!

These quacks must stop making these false claims and stop exploiting vulernable people for profit.

The real causes of depression are social-environmental-economic etc.

Blaming the brain for legitimate feelings of distress is the start of this merry-go-round of #######4 for profit. The whole hypothesis of depression is a result of a faulty brain must be scraped along with the medication. More research must be conducted into the cause's of human distress and better treatment methods must be adopted.

blah blah blah...


Not going to bother debating it with you. FOR ME PERSONALLY like I already mentioned... I've never had a problem with that and medication, not at all. Medication has been fantastic for me, and so have psychiatrists!!

Excellent.
I can't even be bothered to read some of your posts, to me they don't mean anything, I have just voiced my opinon and agreed with the orginally FIRST post.

So what you believe is fine, and what others and me believe is fine, we are all intitled to our own opinons. Let's just leave it at that.

"Health Canada recently issued a warning about the drug, along with seven other antidepressants like it, that it was no more effective in children than a sugar pill. Health Canada also warned that in some cases, the drugs did more harm than good."

"The internal memo said only positive findings would be reported from a clinical trial conducted by the company - GlaxoSmithKline - in the United States, which found the drug was no more effective in children than a placebo."

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2 ... 40213.html

"But what most people--patients and clinicians alike--don't know is that in more than half of the 47 trials used by the Food and Drug Administration to approve the six leading antidepressants on the market, the drugs failed to outperform sugar pills"

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... 4#continue

sadgurl

I know all about belief, it is a crucial part of the placebo effect. The placebo effect is the phenomenon that a patient's symptoms can be alleviated by an otherwise ineffective treatment, apparently because the individual expects or believes that it will work. If you don't believe your pills will work then the placebo effect wont work.

I prefer science and facts than mere belief. The facts are some people (unlike yourself) haven't got the ability to just blindly believe what quacks tell them. The placebo effect doesn't work for them. They are turned suicidal and violent whilst on the pills. This is unacceptable.

You really should consider taking sugar pills and pretend there antidepressants, it would be much better for your health.

sadgurl wrote:It is mainly people who have all these issues and don't get help or talk to someone about it. You can't blame it completely on drugs guys... Not everyone that kills themselves when they are depressed etc is on any SSRI's.

I find this statement arrogant and dismissive of victims. I think it would be more productive to admit the role drugs play and find a way to make the best choice for yourself. If you want to take them that is your choice, but it also affects those around you. Many people have also been victims of others who took the meds. - IE COlumbine, Wesbecker, Andrea Yates, etc. The fact is that the meds increase the thoughts and urges and make you agitated and lower your inhibitions. They can also cause psychosis. I know I felt like I had no control over what popped into my head, just control over my body & choices. And some people are in such a dreamlike state on them that they don't have bodily control either.

Just think of all the people who take Ritalin or steroids for allergies or asthma. There are so many meds that have psychological side effects. Ritalin lists psychosis as one of its side effects right there on the label.

I took Zoloft for ANXIETY ("overconcern" for my newborn baby, one panic attack) not depression and I became SUICIDAL and HOMICIDAL within 3 days. Eventually I calmed down a little and was not SUICIDAL to the point of needing to go to the hospital. But I still had the thoughts. SO the docs upped the dose. But each time the dose increased, the thoughts of suicide and MURDER got worse. I was not this way before meds (or for the most part since I stopped them - I still worry but I don't feel out of control & don't have violent images in my head every second of the day). I was also misdiagnosed with PPD which was actually just drug reactions, hormones, and postpartum thyroiditis.

How can you say that most people who kill themselves are not taking any kind of med? How would you know that? And what is your story that you are so pro-medication?

^^

You aren't understanding what I was saying.

Anyways move on, this thread has gotten out of hand, so instead of being pretty much told off by some person on here i'm going to be the bigger person and let this thread die.