SSRI's save a lot more teenage lives than they kill

Hi sadgurl,

This is an anti-psych forum. If you want to debate, please do it in a scientific way. If you have no intention to do it, please stay on a sideline.

It is obvious that some of these antidepressants are harmful to human health which leads many countries decide to stop using them.

This forum is not just used for debates at all.

Again you cannot always blame anti-depressants for this, alot of people will agree....

But everyone has their own opinons, and we'll just leave it at that.

Hi Open Mind & Badtrip,

I assume you've spotted the thread "ALERT: Ask FDA to Stop Psychiatric Drug Ad Fraud!" I'm drafting a few comments to send, I hope you guys can too.

I see patm3300, the person that started this thread is posting in the Schizophrenia Forum under "what anti-psychotics do you schizophrenics take?" stating he/she has now progressed to taking antipsychotics "risperdal".

If you read this patm3300 hopefully you will read this article which will explain how this progression to a much stronger medication has occurred.

http://www.breggin.com/31-49.pdf

GPs to stop prescribing antidepressants blamed for suicidal feelings in under-18s.

"Doctors were yesterday told to stop giving antidepressants to children and people under 18, because of the risks that the pills will make them feel suicidal.

The new NHS guidance marks a watershed in the treatment of children's mental health. It shifts the focus sharply away from the psychiatric drugs that around 40,000 children are thought to be taking for depression, anxiety and other problems. Children with mild depression should be given advice on diet and exercise, the guidance tells GPs. Those with moderate and even severe depression should be offered a three-month course of counselling. "

More

http://psychrights.org/Articles/Guardia ... ildren.htm

Open Mind wrote:Hi sadgurl,

This is an anti-psych forum. If you want to debate, please do it in a scientific way. If you have no intention to do it, please stay on a sideline.

It is obvious that some of these antidepressants are harmful to human health which leads many countries decide to stop using them.

Sadgurl,
I'm not replying to this to be mean or to belabor the point, but I have to say that I agree with Open Mind and the others on this. This is designated as an 'anti-psych' forum and looks like it was created because there was enough people with this type of view and/or tragic experiences on the subject. It appears that that is may have also been created so that those with these views would gather together and not express themselves in the other forums so much. Now I could be wrong in my interpretation, but that is the impression that is left when reading the initial announcement type of posts. I am confused why those who disagree come in here and get so upset by what they are reading, post replies expressing their opposing views, and then are offended when they are 'misunderstood' and end up feeling 'ganged up' on or something. I purposefully now stay out of the other forums so that I won't be frustrated and try to be considerate enough to not go into the other forums to post my opinions (whether I relate through my 'diagnosis' or life experiences to the forum subject or not). I have occasionally browsed those areas and realize that most people are pro-med. I agree that this is yours and others right to make your own treatment decisions. I am not in those forums trying to sway their decisions and opinions or be judgemental...therefore, I am confused why it is acceptable for others to come here...a place very definitly designated as 'anti-psych' and that I am very thankful to have found....and expect to post opinions that are contrary to the forum topic and expect others to not debate them? It kind of seems like putting oneself in the line of fire or something doesn't it?

I would also like to address the subject of this thread. How can anyone with any conscious whatsoever think that it is justifiable for these meds to continue to be prescribed since the numbers of those who are 'helped' is supposedly greater than those who suffer the harmful and many times deadly side effects?

Sadgurl, you mentioned that the meds don't kill...it is the person who is suffering. I would like to add to what Badtrip wrote that the fact that for some who are on these meds the action of 'free will' is removed. I told my drs. and therapists over and over that I felt like I was behind a glass window screaming for myself to not be doing whatever bizarre behavior was happening...but the med-induced psychosis (voices, delusions, hallucinations) were stronger every time and had worn me down as they got worse even with many, many med combos and different treatments. I was suicidal and had homicidal thoughts like Badtrip. I have only ever attempted suicide while on meds. I have only ever been psychotic while on meds. I started on an antidepressant as well for what they thought was post-partum...which led to yrs. of different 'trial and error' treatments. Only when I smartened up and stopped being so naive did I stop taking my meds, ECT treatements, etc. and here I am 1 1/2 yrs. later as normal as anyone else in this crazy world. Believe me though...the meds don't exit your system overnight....I had effects for the first few months and it wasn't a bed of roses that is for sure...but I knew that the psychosis and never ending 'trial and error' methods leading to many hospitalizations and shock therapy 3 times a week was worse than dealing with what they may call 'clinical' depression any day.

Also, not to get personal or anything and you don't have to answer if you want...but I have always been curious why your login is 'sadgurl' if the meds you are on are so effective. I know that that is in no way how I would describe myself now that I have my life back. Just curious and again sorry if it is too personal...not trying to stir anything up or anything...it is just hard to get your point across with writing sometimes . And on that note...I am not trying to judge you either. I do understand the point you are trying to make in that these meds don't effect everyone in the way that I and so many others have been, but I hope that you can also understand our point that since you don't know if you will fall victim to these meds or not...they aren't very safe for such wide-spread use. The percentages may seem low, but think of how many are being newly prescribed these each and every day. Also, realize that there wouldn't be such a controversy if there wasn't substance to what we are saying. Please remember that we don't even know each other and aren't some sort of conspiriacy or something. We have all come together here and in other places to find that we weren't alone in our experiences. As more and more find this out too, the numbers of those affected as we have been will continue to skyrocket. Most just haven't stood up and spoken out of fear or just because they haven't made the connection yet. I know that it must be hard to see that reform is inevitable, but it is ending up that more lives are being lost for those on meds than those who are seeking alternative treatments. I am not saying that you do this, but many many patients just go and get the prescription and don't do anything else to make themselves better. The way the advertising is it looks like the medication is the first line of treatment and this just isn't true.

Ok...I will end and I hope that I haven't offended you. We all know that we have a different opinion than you do and many others on this msg board. We just appreciate having a place to express our opinions.

Take care.....

I don't believe I said that meds are not dangerous, some meds are very much so especially if the person reacts differently to them, as in bad reaction or abuses them in some way.

What I'm saying as that in terms of suicide you cannot ALWAYS put the blame on anti-depressants... I know it occurs sometimes when people are taking them, but people who are taking them that feel that bad should be open with the person who is monitoring these meds and who is their paitent etc.

Not saying it doesn't occur, and that's why everyone is missing with this, I'm agreeing to a certain degree, but also saying that is not always the case...

Clinical trials have shown sugar pills are far more effective than SSRI's at treating depression. Bombarding the brain with toxic medication is an unknown quantity. There is no known correct level for serotonin, hell they don't even know if serotonin has anything to do with depression, it's just a guess.

Sure people that are not on these med's commit suicide; but putting people that aren't suicidal on these med's and then they suicide; that's just not good enough!

These med's must be banned; sugar pills are much safer and much more effective. Sugar pills don't have this suicide side effect caused by the unknown structual changes SSRI's make in the brain.

I have heard some people propose that a sugar pill that dries out the mouth is all thats needed to convince skeptical patients that they are taking the real deal.

Medicalising thought's feeling and behavior has been a disaster. This fraud concocted by drug companies and their psychiatrist cronies in an attempt legitimise psychiatry (the least respected medical specialty in the field of medicine) and generate Billions of dollars for unscrupulous drug company board directors is a disgrace.

sadgurl wrote:I don't believe I said that meds are not dangerous, some meds are very much so especially if the person reacts differently to them, as in bad reaction or abuses them in some way.

What I'm saying as that in terms of suicide you cannot ALWAYS put the blame on anti-depressants... I know it occurs sometimes when people are taking them, but people who are taking them that feel that bad should be open with the person who is monitoring these meds and who is their paitent etc.

Not saying it doesn't occur, and that's why everyone is missing with this, I'm agreeing to a certain degree, but also saying that is not always the case...

I just want to point out to anyone who has felt suicidal that it is not just an open and closed case of having to be open with your caretaker(s). It is sad, but true that sometimes when a person feeling that bad expresses it they are dismissed. That happened to me a few times...one time I was even released after telling them how I was feeling. Then we also have to remember that when someone is feeling that bad they don't always have the words, energy, or motivation to tell someone. Then add to that the way the antidepressants make some psychotic and paranoid making it very difficult for them to make any rational decisions (and yes...please note that I said some and not all like you point out and don't seem to see that we aren't saying that it happens to ALL). Those who feel on the edge aren't always rational enough to make it a point to talk to someone. This is just the simple truth. The fact that these drugs are truly making some people get to that point when they may never have even had a history of mental illness (these are prescribed for everything from insomnia to migraines) is just not acceptable at all just like Guest is saying. It will never be right or justified to sacrifice the life of ANYONE to save another! Especially when the dangers are hidden from them!

That is scary. Do you think that drugs may actually improve suicide?