Our partner

anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Open discussion about the Anti-Psychiatry Movement and related topics. This includes the opposition to forced treatment and hospitalization as well as the belief that Psychiatric Medication does more harm than good. Please note that these topics are controversial and therefore this forum may offend some people. This is not the belief of Psych Forums or Get Mental Help and this forum was posted to offer a safe place to discuss these beliefs.

anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Postby sunset_birth » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:27 pm

It is proven, at least for now.

http://tinyurl.com/785l4wd
sunset_birth
Consumer 6
Consumer 6
 
Posts: 257
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:32 pm
Local time: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)


ADVERTISEMENT

Re: anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Postby Copy_Cat » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:22 pm

It's like this:
Imagine that there is a nasty disease that kills 50% of the people who get it. A pharmaceutical company has a new medicine that they want to test. So they give the drug to a bunch of the people who have the disease, and 50% of them get better.

The drug manufacturer cheers and brags, "Look at how great our new medicine is! We saved half of the patients!"

Wrong. The new drug saved nobody. The half who survived were the ones who were going to survive anyway. The drug had an effective zero percent cure rate, above and beyond normal spontaneous remission.

To compute the success rate of any medicine or treatment program, you have to subtract the normal rate of spontaneous remission from the apparent success rate. In this example, fifty percent minus fifty percent yields a zero percent success rate for the new medicine. The new medicine didn't make anybody recover.

(And if the survival rate of the patients who were taking the new medicine was less than half, then the new medicine was actually poisoning people and keeping them from recovering.)
I survived psychiatry.
Copy_Cat
Consumer 6
Consumer 6
 
Posts: 2684
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:35 pm
Local time: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Postby Fengxian » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:52 am

A lot of medication has those side effects though. Not just anti-depressants. I take setraline. Without AD I would be a lot worse I'm afraid.
User avatar
Fengxian
Consumer 5
Consumer 5
 
Posts: 107
Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:09 pm
Local time: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (3)

Re: anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Postby Copy_Cat » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:49 pm

Check it out,

"Should a drug that produces sexual dysfunction for the majority of users and which doubles the risk of a suicide attempt be labeled as an antidepressant? No, argues a recent Scientifica article "Relabeling the Medications We Call Antidepressants." The article's authors, David Antonuccio, psychologist at the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, University of Nevada School of Medicine, and David Healy, psychiatrist at the Department of Psychological Medicine, Bangor University in the United Kingdom, point out that "to call these medications antidepressants may make sense from a marketing standpoint but may be misleading from a scientific perspective." They conclude that "it may make just as much sense to call these medications antiaphrodisiacs as antidepressants because the negative effects on libido and sexual functioning are so common."

If a greater percentage of antidepressant users suffer from sexual dysfunction than are relieved of depression, in a scientific sense, it is not silly to label the medication in terms of the condition that it affects most. And while Prozac, Paxil, and Zoloft are antidepressants for some people, for other people they are suicidality inducers, agitation enhancers, and mania stimulators. "

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Take-a ... 1-756.html

The problem is the lack of "informed consent" , check out. http://laingsociety.org/colloquia/polof ... onsent.htm

Informed consent !!
I survived psychiatry.
Copy_Cat
Consumer 6
Consumer 6
 
Posts: 2684
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:35 pm
Local time: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: anti-depressants likely do more harm than good

Postby GemInI » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:13 am

...i can't brag with a good memory (have some memory lapses cause of a constant migraine) - but i get incoherent from using anti-depressants, it's hard to have conversation with someone after using them - makes me feel as if i suffer from a diseases that's affecting my memory like Alzheimer...

- i might feel less depressed - but in a "dumb-down(numbed) way " which ads different level of discomfort...

and why do we do this in the first place?!

- cause we dislike certain aspects of our life
- cause we don't like who we are and what we have become
- cause we don't like the direction we're heading and the path that took us here
- cause we had all sorts of traumas in the past - and we give in to inner personalities developed by those traumas - letting them rule our lives
- cause we can't find strength - wile all we do most of the time is "discourage our-selves" and think about things that portray us as week
- cause we feel lonely - either cause we're with the wrong person which makes us feel that way - either cause we don't have one (that's good for us)
- cause we lost somebody dear to us - and now we see our grief as a diseases

- just some examples.

Medication doesn't solve those problems - on the contrary... they keep them active and keep us dependent to those medication so "we can ignore them better"... and from this point of view "they work" - but they also prolong our pain... and it can go on for our entire life if we go with the flow instead of trying to solve our problems (and under medication - we feel less motivated in doing so)... it's less hassle than trying the other way (taking in consideration "the pain") - and maybe we're tired of trying or feeling lazy about it... so if we can't be alive - we chose to live the life of zombi instead? Some might add that - "they were already living like zombies even before taking medication" - but after medication "you can also feel like one" - not the zombi from apocalyptic movies (the brain eaters) - but the "haitian creole version" - and of course ... even this example is just a reference, shouldn't be taken literally - it's more like "choosing to sleep wile being awake" and ignore the things that bother us by numbing our senses...

And I'm being specific (evens subjective) - strictly related to above situations that can make a person feel awful... and i believe that the majority of those taking medication can relate with those condition - as for the rest, i can't speak in their name cause - i don't know what it's like to be a psychopath or other mental conditions like self-harm - i know the theoretical part and heard their stories - but i can't relate with them directly from "personal experience" - only indirectly - by comparing states of mind and personal experiences that involve similarities (psychiatrists and psychologists - probably do the same.... i doubt that they relate directly with all of their patience - the good ones anyway... cause there are a lot of them out there that treat their patients as if "their some products" - a broken TV sent back for repair).
GemInI
Consumer 5
Consumer 5
 
Posts: 152
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:33 am
Local time: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:11 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)


Return to Anti-Psych Forum




  • Related articles
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests