Hospital or homeless shelter ?

I dont know how to express where I am going with this.

Is some of the abusiveness used to prevent hospitals from becoming a bed and breakfast motels ?

or the other way around like ? mabey

Good question. In my last hospitalization, one of the leaders kept referring to the possibility that those there were only looking for "three hots and a cot."

It might be in the mind of some people.

But I think it has more to do with a culture of abuse that happens when you have full power over someone without oversight. Then almost nobody can resist the temptation of abuse.

There was an old study on that:
http://tinyurl.com/7vtrjcd

sunset_birth wrote:It might be in the mind of some people.

But I think it has more to do with a culture of abuse that happens when you have full power over someone without oversight. Then almost nobody can resist the temptation of abuse.

There was an old study on that:
http://tinyurl.com/7vtrjcd

Stanford Prison Experiment, a classic study on the psychology of imprisonment , nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of notable social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience.
"Im just doing my job" the ultimate excuse of an abuser.
This also has ALOT to do with the abuse .

I like the way you think sunset_birth .

Milgram is also a classic.

In the Stanford one though, they were not told what to do. This is what makes it freaky.
They knew it was not real and that the prisoners were not even criminals.
But still, it took only one or two weeks for them to start seriously abusing.
So much so that the experiment had to be cancelled, so not to be criminally charged.

Both experiments are enlightening about human nature in corporate settings.

There is a really good German movie "Das Experiment" that is based on the Stanford Prison Experiment if that interests you guys. You'd have to understand German or watch with Eng subs tho.

Also, abuse by those in power is a huge reason for less 'big government' as well.

There is an American remake.

The Experiment
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997152/

The rating is less than the original though, so learning German is the way to go.

The BBC actually broadcast a sort of 'replication' of the Stanford prison experiment a few years ago, run by a couple of social psychologists, with stringent ethics oversight. It turned out the opposite way - the 'prisoners' were united by their underdog status and were able to divide and manipulate guards. Halfway through they put in an extra guy to the prisoner side who was a trade union negotiatior and i remember just being amazed at how effective he was - within a really short period of time he'd won the trust of his side and then used any and all advantages they had to maximum effect to gain concessions from the guards, and they even escaped. I think they ended that one earlier then scheduled too.

So basically, with oversight, the tables are turned.
I can live with that.

They probably did not have a strict standard of procedures to follow though, which is why they could be manipulated individually.

Things cannot be generalized from such small data samples, but they are interesting experiments. I am sure in another one, the results would also be different.

Copy_Cat wrote:I dont know how to express where I am going with this.

Is some of the abusiveness used to prevent hospitals from becoming a bed and breakfast motels ?

or the other way around like ? mabey

I was writing on the post about inpatient injection threats for med refusals when I thought of this old topic again so I'm bringing it back from the abyss of forgotten threads.

Are hospitals often abusive to keep people out or something ? are meds just cheaper then helping people ? whats going on ?