Hearing voices is voice to skull

by **Rod** » Sat May 05, 2012 7:31 am

Hi Eleanor and Cliff, I've got a bit of a dud connection today but I think I've read and skimmed a fair amount of yours and Cliff's site and docs.

Re the "modulated" microwave. I think you are saying that the early claimed successful demonstrations used a pulse of MW. Presumably some trials were done to determine the duration and the amplitude of the pulse and that particular parameters were chosen so as to allow a reasonably safe but effective trial. And that the envelope of the pulse when represented graphically and schematically is drawn as a square wave. The "modulation" is done by way of timing pulses to coincide with the instantaneous frequency of the sound wave. So in the ordinary way, a sound wave is transduced to it's electrical analog. The zero point is established and the MW pulse is fired each time the electrical signal equals zero.

So we might assume that a person would sense something if, for example, the pulses were delivered at 1000 hz. And if so then at 2000 hz the person might say, "Higher". If this is true ie that a person can hear anything at all and that they can then distinguish tones it is plausible that "modulating" by way of timing a uniform pulse to coincide with the audio wave could actually convey information to a person. If a person was totally oblivious to having been targeted and then experienced something that was like but not quite like speech and they could hear words they would be startled to say the least.

Have I pretty much got it?

I'll assume that I've got it so as to write while it's convenient.

In your (Eleanour) 50 page pdf you describe bullying, mobbing, group stalking and organised group stalking.

The first three are as old as man. By organised group stalking you are essentially describing the type of group stalking that is convenienced by technology and modern society/politics. Telephones, cars, mobile telephones and internet enable more effective bullying. Modern paranoia and the ease at which people can indulge in the taking of offence further enable bullies. Politicians seem to condone or ignore bullying or else strike capriciously or only when its in their obvious interest. So group bullies can sometimes feel that can name themselves. They can pretend that they are valid but maybe a little bit undercover.

I totally agree but you are not telling me anything I couldn't know if I was ten years old. I know many people more disgusting than Hitler that live in Melbourne. I have experienced prison and forced psych detention solely due to the lies of people who have been given permission to bully. You say, and I agree, that this may be a portent to a dictatorship. And it might well be a world dictatorship.

But it's not fair to use Cliff, and to have used Cliff. You didn't know Cliff when you started, but you reeled him in and probably others.

You know that the MW stuff while just barely plausible maybe back in the '70's as a weapon is not being used by suburban bullies. That IS plain ridiculous. The notion that you portray of 30 people/actors ridiculing an individual in a supposedly public space is garbage. Yet I understand that Cliff might go along with it. He may well want to express the humiliation that he really has experienced.

You know that there are millions of people still living who have been diagnosed as schizophrenic. You know that many of those might be tech savvy enough and able to google at any opportunity that might assauge their distress. (I'm not suggesting for a second that a person diagnosed by brain dead shrinks is retarded.)

BTW Eleanor, you must have read or maybe personally know Patricia Lefave. She describes mobbing and organized bullying in a rational way, a way that doesn't require any bizarre theory or use of technology at all. Her reasoning is that it only requires what is already available to the ordinary person.

To Cliff, for now, I won't say much more than Infinite (his logic is near flawless) has already said. I'll just say that I think you are a very unusual guy. We are all unique but you may have been shaped by your familial religosity. That's OK. You can program in C++. You are a proven effectual, intelligent and decent man. If you can enjoy alcohol and marijuana even better. (I don't really mind if you don't smoke dope but I would rather that you did.) I hope very much that you can enjoy your life. Or else that if it's difficult that you can enjoy it by knowing that life doesn't have to be easy.

by **Copy_Cat** » Fri May 11, 2012 1:49 am

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:First there were dozens of websites dedicated to this idea alone. All these websites said for a fact that it's a mental illness. They didn't consider any other possibility.
http://www.hearingvoices-is-voicetoskull.com

"If I talk to God its called praying, If God talks to me its called schizophrenia" I never wrote on your topic before cause I never heard voices but I have "travelled" for lack of a better word.

I don't buy this voice to scull thing, I would consider mabey spirits, ghosts ,demons, angels, telepathy psychokinesis, aliens ? and mostly misunderstood extra-sensory perception way before man made radio waves just to mess with people. It just makes no sence to do this VTS even if it could be done.

by **eye_aint_got_no_body** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:47 pm

I've had several occurrences of auditory hallucinations that always occurred when I was extremely tired, and usually when I'd been up for 24 hours or so playing video games and just couldn't bring myself to stop and go to bed.

It always starts with a loud crack or popping noise that is enough to startle and make me jump, like a noise you would hear in the room. What followed was like a radio turned on with the volume down very low, where you could hear something being said but not loud enough to be able to make it out.

I would sometime stay up and try to make out what was being said, but never could and would usually just go to bed. It was always gone when I woke up.

I've never heard it under any circumstances other than what I outlined and haven't heard it at all for several years.

I did however have an incident where I had been trying to catch someone out to beat them up to get revenge for something they had done to me. While I was just sitting there watching TV I heard a voice in my head like someone whispering in my ear that said "If you get up now and start walking you can catch him walking home from work,"

It was right too.

by **victim12345** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:52 pm

A few thoughts...

It's important professionals in the fields of psychology and psychiatry understand that today's technology makes v2k a very real possibility. One way to separate v2k victims and schizophrenics is to have a conversation with them and ask for a detailed account of the stalking.

In the post Ed Snowden world the idea that a surveillance operation could interrogate someone anonymously without leaving any physical evidence behind isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility. The whole purpose for developing such a weapon has to do with the fact that it's untraceable and absolutely destroys the credibility of the person who complains about it.

It's pretty clear the voices schizophrenics complain about hearing consist of short bursts saying things like "go kill yourself" over and over. People who suffer audible hallucinations hear more details, perhaps the way a person would dream, but that's still nothing like a victim of harassment. A victim of voice to skull harassment, or an un-Mirandized interrogation, would complain of hearing detailed conversations between people monitoring them. These conversations would be unlike any conversation they'd ever heard because they would be transmitted directly to their brains, bypassing the ears, and they would follow a strict protocol and wouldn't include normal conversational details which exist in 100% of normal conversations. These are details such as the speakers' names, location(s), ethnicity, home town, physical description, addresses, college, hometown, weekend plans, wives and kids names, parents' names, favorite lunch spots or any personal data about the perpetrators, whatsoever. V2K requires that everyone participating follow strict conversational protocols which is the only way to protect their anonymity. It's a god ray not because it convinces the victims they're talking to god but because of the audacity of the people using it.

Personally, I would find it really hard to believe that people describing such symptoms suffer from some sort of super rare form of schizophrenia that edits out these kinds of details. People need to be smart and realize that the intersection of man (which has only become "civilized" since, what, the civil rights act?) and the development of electromagnetic weapons was bound to happen and to dismiss symptoms which both sufferers of audible hallucinations and v2k victims might share is not thinking critically about it, whatsoever... : )

I can't imagine anything worse than cutting someone short who complains about hearing the voices of a person, or people, trying to interrogate or threaten them. As much as I find it hard to imagine the NSA would infiltrate the psychiatric community and distribute a "V2K is Schizophrenia" instructional video, imagining what someone who's really being harassed has to go through just to explain it to one single professional in the psychology/psychiatry is just terrifying...

by **1013 victim** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:02 pm

Hearing voices, having thoughts, what is the difference? The whole hearing voices thing is another blown out of proportion game for them to get what they want

by **smithywise** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:00 am

Restored wrote:So why do my meds help me not hear the voice as often and why is the voice that of someone i know?

Because you have a mental illness, the symptoms of which include, hearing voices.

How dare I say that here, eh? LOL.

What the voice sounds like is just random. It can sound like someone you know, something you heard on tv, or something completely unfamiliar. The brain isn't picky.

by **Cheze2** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:45 pm

1013 victim wrote:Hearing voices, having thoughts, what is the difference? The whole hearing voices thing is another blown out of proportion game for them to get what they want

Let's not invalidate people's very real experiences. Hearing voices and having thoughts are two very different things. Oftentimes people who hear voices hear them from outside directions vs in their heads.

by **1013 victim** » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:42 pm

Cheze2 wrote:
1013 victim wrote:Hearing voices, having thoughts, what is the difference? The whole hearing voices thing is another blown out of proportion game for them to get what they want

Let's not invalidate people's very real experiences. Hearing voices and having thoughts are two very different things. Oftentimes people who hear voices hear them from outside directions vs in their heads.

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you are the one trying to invalidate someone elses experience, if you tell a doctor you are hearing voices he simply runs with it, he does not question you and explain the difference, you dont know what i have experienced.

by **P0ci** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:41 pm

Infinite_Jester wrote:Hey Cliff,

I guess I gotta cut through the pseudo-science of voice to skull as a hypothesis for auditory hallucinations.

Although electromagnetic energy can cause some people to experience sound-like experiences the experiences themselves are not similar at all to auditory hallucinations (i.e. hearing voices).

Frey writes in his paper "Modulated electromagnetic energy" that the subjects had electromagnetic energy focused on them which induced a "pins-and -needles" sensation" which was further "described as being a buzz, clicking, hiss, or knocking" sound. This is not similar at all to hearing voices. How someone could mistake this for auditory hallucinations or believe that electromagnetic energy could be used to produce voice-like sounds is beyond me. I think you never read the article.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:If sound is broadcasted using acoustic heterodyning, then it can travel several kilometers. The physics behind acoustic heterodyning are very complex. It has been demonstrated on youtube.

Be honest Cliff. You don't know anything about physics. Acoustic heterodyning is usefull for changing the frequency of a sound which can improve how far the sound can be transmitted. Here's a cute example of a librarian using acoustic heterodyning to whisper to people in a library. Take note of the distance the individual is from the target and the clear direction that the compressions and rarefactions of sound waves follow into the target's ears. At no point does the auditory heterodyning travel through solid mass or the distances your describing/imagining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpOi5fkHub0

Acoustic heterodyning can improve how far a sound can be transmitted but it does not make it possible for sounds to travel through solid mass or the distances you are describing. Which you don't mention because your not sure who the "they" is that's targeting you or why "they" are targeting you.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:The official theories don't consider the possibility of voice to skull harassment. They refuse to investigate. So those theories don't have any value. We suspect also that the test subjects are not chosen really randomly. They choose particular test subjects to back up their claims. Also, the number of test subjects is often too small to come to such far-reaching conclusions.

By "offical theory" you mean theories in the empirical sciences which have been tested and stand up to falsification? Yes? Well those are the good theories because they are supported by evidence. Also, the populations of the studies are large enough to have generalizable results and there have been enormous numbers of studies which have been able to replicate the results of the inital research. Also, the idea of a scientific conspiracy is silly. The method, population and results are always published with scientific research which allows a openness in the scientific community so that scientists can replicate and criticize existing research. I can only think of a few examples of falsification/fraud in the scientific community and needless to say the researchers were exposed when researchers tried to replicate their research.

Cliff have you ever considered how incredibly improbable it is that 4% of the population is being gang stalked by the government? It would require enormous effort with no benefit for your attackers. As a rule, the government doesn't do anything unless it's in it's own interest so it makes no sense to say they have a secret branch of the government which uses science fiction technology to annoy people.

Auditory hallucinations are the result of neurological and biochemical activity of the brain. Blaming hidden attackers who use technology that could not possible exist just makes things worse.

Cliff, if your hearing voices you are probably not feeling well. Get help. The only one out to get you is yourself because your imagining really upsetting and implausible stories for why you feel unwell which distracts you from asking for help. Even if you found someone to talk about your ideas that would be a good start.

Take care.

Ohh great another believer.
You don't think organized gang stalking is real? Do your homework, not only the gov does it but also multinational corporations. Look up cointelpro and so on.
And I don't care if you believe me or not, I was and may still be a victim of gangstalking. And not just hearing things, but being followed in the street, where I can actually see my stalkers..... like I said, you probably don't believe me, I don't care im used to it by now that no one believes me.

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