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Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

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Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:29 pm

Lately I have been thinking, psychiatry promotes the extroverted alpha male. You can see that more men are diagnosed than women, and these generally with the aim of turning them into normal extroverted alpha male types. You can also see that many psychiatry books are concerned with male dominance, and that psychiatrists working for the military often analyze foreign leaders or dictators with the design of emasculating them, so that in other words the USA is "alpha male" in the world. A book recently shown to me written by a psychiatrist named Robert Wright had the byline: "are men born to cheat?" and "does monogamy benefit only women?" or something like that, trying to prove that through some sort of natural gorilla selection, the extrovert is dominant, regardless of whether or not he is a crook. The theories of Ayan Rand are clearly present in American psycho-therapy as well, wanting to turn the patients into little "John Galts"! :D
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby Black Widow » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:18 am

Therapists seem to have trouble dealing with introverts generally speaking.
It is easier for them to deal with extroverts because they just have to sit tight and say nothing while the extrovert directs the therapy.
That is the problem when your trade has no content to speak of.

That is my experience with therapy so far. :|
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:48 am

I am an introvert, but offer plenty of content for therapist. I am introvert, but would classify myself as "bold introvert". I take the sort of risks that many extroverts would not even take, throwing things out, or allowing myself to speak without thinking. I didnt grow up in a glass bubble after all.

Nevertheless, the question remains: does psychiatry revolve around the extrovert or alpha male as the example for mental health?
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby Black Widow » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:04 am

Not sure.
They don't seem to have a goal in mind. Not the ones I know of.
Do you have personal examples of how they would go about enforcing that agenda?
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am

There is a certain model promoted to me by a variety of people of a "nice and confident man". Something repels me about this model. It seems like a weak sort of man, one that has been declawed, uneccentric, and sort of blandly extroverted. I cannot come to terms with this model and am disturbed by the generic prospect of it. There are many aspects of it I dislike, including the future of it, which is "nice old man". It bothers me quite a bit. The men in my family are generally not "nice" entirely, and it sort of goes against my genetics, even if it would mean being "alpha male". There is something so dry and humorless about it! Its dull! Its like some kind of brainwashing. Not to say that I am particularly mean or outrageously hostile.
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby Black Widow » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:18 am

If anything, from my point of view from my part of the world, I would call that a metrosexual.
Basically some lying ass that talks flowery things.
It is based on the politician archetype.
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:34 am

Tungsten wrote:If anything, from my point of view from my part of the world, I would call that a metrosexual.
Basically some lying ass that talks flowery things.
It is based on the politician archetype.


We see eye to eye on this matter. Yes, it is the Bill Clinton archetype. A person who gives an air of almost bumptious confidence and good naturedness, but hides a deceptive player beneath the fat of his bland goodness and over-confident blindness, where he could turn a blind eye (or his fat behind) to say the Rwandan genocide.

You would be surprised how often this archetype is presented to me in a positive way by all kinds of people, Americans, Psychiatrists, Germans, or whoever. I am a good enough fellow and all for doing good deeds, but not per this extroverted model.
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:10 am

What else is strange, is the way society treats this model as the "latent potential" dormant in man. Women are especially demanding of it, though from what I have seen, it abuses them, such as Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski. I am sure this is the cause of the problems in the USA, and it would seem it has been developed as a basis of therapy, perhaps because many therapists are women, who will be bitter toward a man who does not attempt to embody this model.
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby jilkens » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:05 am

This discussion reminds me of an article I read recently regarding the neurological differences introverts have. http://www.carlkingdom.com/10-myths-about-introverts

If it's true, that means that psychiatry is ignoring some very important information to consider when giving patients drugs that alter neurochemistry.
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Re: Psychiatry Promotes the Masculine Alpha Male Extrovert

Postby michijo » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:15 am

I read that article. Some of it is interesting. Some I disagree with. Introverts have their problems as well, and I am not one to glorify this psychological type as being specifically better than extroversion.

My complaint is against this numb and idiotic value placed on the extroverted alpha male type, especially the primitive American variety, which even wormed its way into psychiatry.
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