Dual Diagnosis ?

from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-acute ... Background

Drug abuse, including alcohol and prescription drugs can induce symptomatology which resembles mental illness. This can occur both in the intoxicated state and also during the withdrawal state. In some cases these substance induced psychiatric disorders can persist long after detoxification, such as prolonged psychosis or depression after amphetamine or cocaine abuse. A protracted withdrawal syndrome can also occur with symptoms persisting for months after cessation of use. Benzodiazepines are the most notable drug for inducing prolonged withdrawal effects with symptoms sometimes persisting for years after cessation of use. Severe anxiety and depression are commonly induced by sustained alcohol abuse which in most cases abates with prolonged abstinence. Even moderate alcohol sustained use may increase anxiety and depression levels in some individuals. In most cases these drug induced psychiatric disorders fade away with prolonged abstinence.

Often treatment centers and I.O.P s start a little to soon with the psychiatric labeling and drugging.

Be careful.

I think you're right, for the most part.

However, a dual diagnosis applies to certain people... so try not to minimize it, also.

Like me, fopr example. I definitely have a mental disorder. I abuse substances to feel better, but the mental disorder definitely still exists, no matter what I do. It's been there for years. I use drugs because they feel good, and alcohol's cheap.... but if I had to go back to self injury, I would. That's what I did for several years before I discovered alcohol

What about those who have a psychological disorder?

Sorry, but, all I say here was psych disorders stemming from alcoholism. They can be the other way around. You might have

ME:

I have an anxiety and depressive disorder. I can't get out...always feeling that life is like some type of test...meaning, I avoid social situations...

So, I am alone. And, just wish, for a moment there is quick fix... something to just have some relief from the anxiety depression, boredom... becasue you can't sleep forever? Right.

So, you look for the quick fix... and alcohol is legal...and you buy it... or borrow it, and it might solve your problems...

That's DUAL Diagnosis, too. Using alcohol becasue you have an emotional disorder... and as I stated... that is how it starts.

Dual Diagnosis means you have a drug/alcohol addiction with some type of emotional/(mental) disorders... I hate using (mental)... as a term, but I really have too...

Dual Diagnosis is so common that, when people enter a Alcoholic Treatment Center (ATC), everyone is taught psych stuff... like "Coping Mechanisms." But however you look at it, the two most lickly will be together.

Dual diagnosis: Drinking alcohol, and then getting depressed and/or anxious... or, being anxious and/or depressed and an alcoholic...

Psychotropic drugs. It’s the story of big money-drugs that fuel a $330 billion psychiatric industry, without a single cure.

The cost in human terms is even greater-these drugs now kill an estimated 42,000 people every year.

And the death count keeps rising. Containing more than 175 interviews with lawyers, mental health experts, the families of victims and the survivors themselves, this riveting documentary rips the mask off psychotropic drugging and exposes a brutal but well-entrenched money-making machine.

Before these drugs were introduced in the market, people who had these conditions would not have been given any drugs at all.

So it is the branding of a disease and it is the branding of a drug for a treatment of a disease that did not exist before the industry made the disease.


Watch the full documentary now http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/making-a ... -drugging/

ya, many people get diagnosed with issues that were only occuring AFTER drug use.

But theres are plenty of people who had issues BEFORE drug use also.

THe document is propaganda.

Do pharmacies through out a lot of s**t for us to try? Of couse! BUt you m,ustr consider the consequences...

What were people doing before meds were distrubuted?

Better yet... let's make up a story of a person who is "you"... just a story... that's it. And you back in time before meds available.

What were thopse psych hospitals like? Just like on TV. Heads being drilled into and electroshock therapy. Then changed with meds. I think meds and there potential benefit far outway anything.

Alternative psych medication... like herbals and other natural compounds, but there is thread.. the "ANti-Psych thread." I don't go into your territory and you don't get into ours. Stay on your thread...

Entangled wrote:What were people doing before meds were distrubuted?

Better yet... let's make up a story of a person who is "you"... just a story... that's it. And you back in time before meds available.

What were thopse psych hospitals like? Just like on TV. Heads being drilled into and electroshock therapy. Then changed with meds. I think meds and there potential benefit far outway anything.

Alternative psych medication... like herbals and other natural compounds, but there is thread.. the "ANti-Psych thread." I don't go into your territory and you don't get into ours. Stay on your thread...

Before meds were distributed, do you think it was common for young children to be mentally ill? Think of all the people you know on psychiatric medications... would they have not been able to function? Would all of them have been deemed insane and locked up? Probably not. Not every illness needs a chemical medication to solve it.

It's great that you think meds and their potential benefits far outweight anything... but I happen to believe that's a very careless attitude to have toward chemicals that create neurological changes. They need to be used responsibly and only when clearly necessary.

Alternative psych medications aren't just for people who are anti-psych. If you're uncomfortable with people using other methods of treatment that's your own problem. Maybe you could learn from some of it instead of being outright dismissive.

[quote="ladyswan"][quote="Entangled"]
What were people doing before meds were distrubuted?

Better yet... let's make up a story of a person who is "you"... just a story... that's it. And you back in time before meds available.

What were thopse psych hospitals like? Just like on TV. Heads being drilled into and electroshock therapy. Then changed with meds. I think meds and there potential benefit far outway anything.

Alternative psych medication... like herbals and other natural compounds, but there is thread.. the "ANti-Psych thread." I don't go into your territory and you don't get into ours. Stay on your thread...[/quote]

Before meds were distributed, do you think it was common for young children to be mentally ill? Think of all the people you know on psychiatric medications... would they have not been able to function? Would all of them have been deemed insane and locked up? Probably not. Not every illness needs a chemical medication to solve it.

It's great that you think meds and their potential benefits far outweight anything... but I happen to believe that's a very careless attitude to have toward chemicals that create neurological changes. They need to be used responsibly and only when clearly necessary.

Alternative psych medications aren't just for people who are anti-psych. If you're uncomfortable with people using other methods of treatment that's your own problem. Maybe you could learn from some of it instead of being outright dismissive.[/quote]

I went into an alcoholic treatment program. The talked about Dual Diagnoses as alcohol (one diagnosis) and an (emotional disorder.) Dual diagnosis... two diagnosis.

Now, not only were they doing AA and rehabiliation, they were talking about medication and it's BENEFITS. We even had are own nurses station where meds were distributed.

When I asked what was dual diagnosis was to one of the staff, he told me that many Alcoholics and drug users need medication, PSYCH meds for specific problems. They go hand in hand.

So seeing, "Dual Diagnosis" as a thread, and what I was told in treatment, I believed this was a thread foir those who abuse alcohol, but might have a psych disorder. Since I have both.

But, now I find this is an anti-medication thread. If that is so, there is thread for no drug use and even anti-psyche. I will have to read exactly what this thread is about.

-- Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:51 pm --

OK. Got it now. This thread is about drug and alcohol use and how those chemicals can produce mental illness or reactions of mental illness. The reason why I was interested in this area was I have emotional disorders with alcohol on top of that. This thread is the other way around. Alcohol and drugs that create these syptoms.

Sorry about that. I'll try to stay on the thrreads that specifically deal with my own problems