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Re: MAD IN AMERICA.

Postby Polozker » Sat May 06, 2017 1:03 am

Riccola wrote:I fully agree, especially when a large number of those un-habitual behaviors are iatrogenically created by the institutions themselves.


I read a few psychiatric records and they are written in the really disgusting patients deprecating style. Let's take that notorious theatricality for example. They record "theatrical behaviour". But that is just a style, just a narration, because one describing anther's actions can use other much more "honorable" set of words. A recorder can say something like "emotionally intense" or " emotional, inquisitive, playful behaviour" or instead of theatricality. And saying like this we have absolutely another picture. A patient becomes a hero, a role model, but the psychiatrists create deliberately negative narratives to justify their treatments!
Moreover, they would never write down something like "suffering" or "feeling emotional pain", or "having troubled mind" they would report "anxious" or something alike in a very special "dead" bureaucratically derogatory style, showing no compassion to their patients.
Writing this I wonder how the nirvana can be called in their language? A kind of senile debility or schizophrenia final stage?
By the way, T. Szasz said that they also diagnosed all Shakespeare's protagonists with different kinds of mental disorders.
They are sophisticated muckrakers finding crap, "illness" in their language, in every mind activity, defiling everything. There is also a question if the psychiatry can diagnose itself, but that is a separate complex story.

Riccola wrote:With psychiatry doing as it pleases, the US is far from a free nation.


In my perspective, there was a silent coup de etat in the US . The psychiatrist lobby gained incredible power in the recent ... 20, or 30 years it has never before in human history. They probably violated some laws and democracy.
The problem is that we don't know the exact plans of the psychiatrists lobby. Moreover they are the potential danger to the whole world, because they can use the US power in their own purposes.
This situation is not widely discussed in media (N. Chomsky speaks about everything but the psychiatry, for example), so the general public doesn't fully understand the gravity of the situation.
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Re: MAD IN AMERICA.

Postby Riccola » Sun May 07, 2017 1:31 am

I read a few psychiatric records and they are written in the really disgusting patients deprecating style. Let's take that notorious theatricality for example. They record "theatrical behaviour". But that is just a style, just a narration, because one describing anther's actions can use other much more "honorable" set of words. A recorder can say something like "emotionally intense" or " emotional, inquisitive, playful behaviour" or instead of theatricality. And saying like this we have absolutely another picture. A patient becomes a hero, a role model, but the psychiatrists create deliberately negative narratives to justify their treatments!
Moreover, they would never write down something like "suffering" or "feeling emotional pain", or "having troubled mind" they would report "anxious" or something alike in a very special "dead" bureaucratically derogatory style, showing no compassion to their patients.
Writing this I wonder how the nirvana can be called in their language? A kind of senile debility or schizophrenia final stage?
By the way, T. Szasz said that they also diagnosed all Shakespeare's protagonists with different kinds of mental disorders.
They are sophisticated muckrakers finding crap, "illness" in their language, in every mind activity, defiling everything. There is also a question if the psychiatry can diagnose itself, but that is a separate complex story.



As one member put it on this forum (Copy_Cat) "anything less than submissive is considered agitated." Every word is meant to make the patient look crazy and everything is set up in instigate. Stick any normal person in a highly traumatic, profoundly restricted environment with various forms of sensory deprivation and watch how they will be begin exhibiting signs of mental illness. Psychiatrists know that, hence why psychiatric institution can evoke a number of negative behaviors without having to forge anything.



In my perspective, there was a silent coup de etat in the US . The psychiatrist lobby gained incredible power in the recent ... 20, or 30 years it has never before in human history. They probably violated some laws and democracy.
The problem is that we don't know the exact plans of the psychiatrists lobby. Moreover they are the potential danger to the whole world, because they can use the US power in their own purposes.
This situation is not widely discussed in media (N. Chomsky speaks about everything but the psychiatry, for example), so the general public doesn't fully understand the gravity of the situation.


Id argue since the 1900. In the 50s there were psychiatric institutions all across the country that housed thousands everywhere from young children to elderly and these places committed horrific atrocities without any repercussion. Many conspiracy theories, primarily those around MK-Ultra, state that most of the unwitting experimentation on human subjects occurred at these institutions. When you looks at the lack of accountability, coupled with the horror stories, there is absolutely no reason to believe that such a thing could not have been pulled off. In fact Id argue that seclusion, insulin coma, electroshock, lobotomy and other so called "treatments" were simply part of the experimentation where doctors tested out their theories gathering data from the results. I mean in the eyes of psychiatrists what better way to learn about neuro plasticity, effects of brains damage, and what parts of the mind control what functions through an endless supply of human guinea pigs where any hypothesis could be put to the test? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


As patients began speaking out regarding the horror of these institutions, de-institutionalization began. And- while it seemed psychiatry was loosing grip- in the last 20 years ADHD and other childhood disorders requiring psychotropics seem to be skyrocketing as well as the prescribing of these drugs. As evil as they are, they aren't dumb- they know how keep up a coup de etat. :evil:
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Re: MAD IN AMERICA.

Postby Polozker » Mon May 08, 2017 6:22 am

Riccola wrote:As one member put it on this forum (Copy_Cat) "anything less than submissive is considered agitated." Every word is meant to make the patient look crazy and everything is set up in instigate.


I'm really sorry to read that, because that means that there is a very powerful social group in the US which doesn't recognise any kind of behaviour, except "anything less than submissive".
I think that is absolutely unacceptable in a democratic country, and that state of affairs must be abolished.
But the situation is not as hopeless as it can seem at the first sight. The very fact the T. Szazs and others anti-psychiatrist publish books, give lectures, even the very existence of that forum shows, that the psychiatry lobby has no ultimate power. They cannot shut everybody up, they face criticism, hence their power is under threat. The only purpose is to keep on pushing, pressure those guys, disclose and expose their cruel and greedy nature.

Riccola wrote:Many conspiracy theories, primarily those around MK-Ultra, state that most of the unwitting experimentation on human subjects occurred at these institutions. When you looks at the lack of accountability, coupled with the horror stories, there is absolutely no reason to believe that such a thing could not have been pulled off.


Thank you for the info about MK-Ultra. I believe that very few people know about that program, and i think that the psychiatry lobby tries to obliterate as much information as possible about their horrendous practices.
There are no reasons to disbelieve in MK-Ultra program. A Soviet dissident psychiatrist informs that in the early 1980s in the USSR a PhD thesis was based on the results of the coercive injections of LSD to dozens, probably hundreds of psychiatric patients. This guy adds that it was a severe violation of the psychiatric treatment regulations, because it was already known that LSD intensifies some psychotic symptoms.
There was also a publication in the early 2000s in the Haaretz, the well-know Israeli leftist newspaper, about the exposure of the long term program of unofficial experiments on patients in the Israeli mental hospitals.
This and hundreds of other evidencies just prove that the psychiatry is one of the cruellest behavioural control institution in the human history, and it must be abolished.
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