treatment not the same as cure

MirageXD wrote:

katana wrote:Mirage, how did they prove it was genetic when they haven't been able to isolate genes for mental illness?

Because my father had it, too. How else would I get the same illness? Most likely, it was through DNA. I do admit that for some people, the illness is developmental. I already said that scientists do not know the real causes, so they can't cure it.

well, that does suggest its a possible cause, but it doesn't really prove it or say it is genetic, it gives you the question is it genetic, it tells you genetic is worth looking at. but people haven't had much luck finding mental illness genes yet, - which is actually quite surprising as there are a lot of hereditary illnesses that can be easily tested for and have clear genetic markers, so either biological mental illness is made up of complex multi-gene predispositions (which don't make sense with a clear cut predefined genetic illness,) or we are all barking up the wrong tree. idk - im not a geneticist so i can't comment on the details there.

Of course, most theories have been proven wrong, right? I don't know any other transmitter which would be able to carry this illness except DNA. Until they find the causes, I'm gonna believe that it's genetic, because it's by far most likely.

This article discusses the schizophrenia gene (my illness): http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/736798

danscott7 has a more complicated illness. I bet it was hard to diagnose.

well, i guess i can't tell you what to believe or not believe!

i dont really believe or disbelieve either way - especially when it comes to schizophrenia i think it just seems to be a very complicated illness, one i also dont know enough about to come to a solid opinion on myself.

i hope they find out something that's helpful to you tho.

katana wrote:i hope they find out something that's helpful to you tho.

Thanks.

I read your first post. Good luck to you with schizoaffective disorder.

Mirage

well, it turns out i dont actually have that, i was misdiagnosed. lol - the great guessing of psychiatry again...
edit: that is somewhat misleading. it was partly a result of my own actions, as well as irresponsibility on the part of the doctors.

Thanks for the replies.
"In your case, it probably also means that it is genetic. I guess we'll have to wait for some gene therapy or something of that sort. In my case, it is also genetic."
That possibility really stinks in my case, as I was adopted and do not know my family history.
Also, I know, as all behavior stems originally from the subconscious, if I could delve into mine, I might be able to unlock the riddle as to my thinking patterns.
Unfortunately, I was told due to my particular illness, hypnosis would not be a good idea. Hypnotism was once attempted on me as a child, but it didn't work.
What really irks me, is, given all my mental problems, and how long I have had them, when some people, including the mental health professionals, say I am simply choosing to live my life the way I am.
No, I recognize malfunctions in the way my mind works, you patronize or ignore my requests about specific problems, then blame me.
It is very frustrating.

You know, I'm not sure either if "mental illness" is genetically transmitted. I used to say that, since it's a common enough opinion. Now I want to see scientific proof that this is so before I continue to support that belief and so far I don't believe there is any such science.

It may be that "mental illness" involves learned behavior/attitudes that get passed from one generation to the next. My guess is that there is a strong dose of this problem; the social dynamics of the family are "ill" and cause stress. Then the physical body, under that stress, overproduces certain chemicals that lead to the same or similar emotional problems.

Ori wrote:You know, I'm not sure either if "mental illness" is genetically transmitted. I used to say that, since it's a common enough opinion. Now I want to see scientific proof that this is so before I continue to support that belief and so far I don't believe there is any such science.

I'm with you on that one. There's nothing yet that can conclusively say that mental illness is genetic - only things that point towards that being a possibility. That doesn't make mental illness any less real - the changes to brain chemistry have to happen somehow, as do the ingrained behavioural patterns of some mental illnesses.

MirageXD wrote:

katana wrote:Mirage, how did they prove it was genetic when they haven't been able to isolate genes for mental illness?

Because my father had it, too. How else would I get the same illness? Most likely, it was through DNA. I do admit that for some people, the illness is developmental. I already said that scientists do not know the real causes, so they can't cure it.

Genetic link? Possible, but not yet identified for mental illnesses. More likely in my humble lay person's opinion....our parents/relatives come from and contribute to a general family "pool" of behaviors that get modeled and taught to other members.