Government Mind Control ? Mental Health System?

pheonixrise wrote:

MirageXD wrote:

Neil@Libra wrote:Yes

Responses such as these are the reason why I usually don't read this part of the forum. They only make me lose my temper.

I wonder if some people wouldn't like to have their paranoid/delusional/suicidal personality changed to something they can live with.

Once you hear voices every other second telling you that you are no good, once you forget words in the middle of a sentence, once you see stuff from a horror movie every time you close your eyes, once you don't sleep for a week, once you think that you're telepathicaly communicating with other people, and once you overcome all of this without medication, then come here and spread the BS you are spreading now. You don't have the right to do it now. BTW, these were my experiences.

Sorry for the vent.

Mirage

Completely agree with you Mirage. I don't have to deal with hallucinations or psychosis too often (a couple times a year) but without my meds I'm suicidal, unable to focus, and so anxious I don't leave the house. Thanks to going on meds, I've actually been able to concentrate on therapy, self-help and self-care, all things that do a lot to keep me stable.

So, What I'm getting is a lot whining from a couple of drug addicts who are too cowed to even control their own minds. Must be some really good $#%^ you're on, but it will render you completely irresponsible and dependent, incompetent. Drug pushers are drug pushers, kidnappers are kidnappers, no matter what kind of credentials or political clout they wield. One of you didn't even quote my post; 0 confront=irresponsible.
Some things to consider;
suicide can be a call for help; it can also be a type of psychological black mail, as in "Either do this or I'll end my life".. my mother played this viscous head game with me when I was in my early teens; A big part of getting on my path of case resolution was disconnecting completely from her. She's what's called a case agitator (squared), which is pretty common among people deemed 'mentally ill'. I really have little respect or empathy for that $#%^; save it for the morons and your useless psychiatrist, and stop using it as an excuse to get on the path of genuine recovery.

Also, your body is your own property, to say nothing of the mental real estate you don't seem able to control presently; if you want to destroy it, it's totally up to you. Just don't drag the rest of your relations down with you, or use it to invalidate my points with the loser attitudes, because I have no temperance or tolerance for this kind of rationalization.

if you ever want to break out of the disneyland funk, I'll can only say it's a long uphill climb filled with terror, grief, and outrage. Sanity is not about calm, the two don't even equate. Calm and well being are things you have to earn, and sure as hell not just from popping pills. That's the choice of the chicken $#%^, of one who doesn't respect himself and lets someone else treat his own body as their property, to drug or push around anyway he chooses, and consequently, stop you.

There obtains "worse than dead feelings", one of which is called "controlling bodies" below grief and apathy, which is just where most psychiatrist come from these days.

In one discussion a few years back, someone teaching collegiate psychology- Corey Hammer said: "Responsibility is an illusion"; which is just exactly what one would expect from a bunch of criminal mentalities posing as a "help" group.

@Neil@Libra: Your post is full of nonsense, prejudice, and BS. It is obvious you know nothing about medication, yet you preach about it. It would seem you think that people who use meds are drug addicts, and your comparison to kidnappers truely is one of a kind.

I don't think you are here to spread your ideas. I think you simply hate mentally ill people due to your own experience with your mother.

Well, not everyone is the same. You cannot generalize your experience and apply it to all mentally ill. A simple fact is that most ill people cannot help themselves, and I can tell you right now that I would be a very different person today if I didn't take my meds. The illness changes you way more than medication.

Believe what you want though. I do believe you need help (somebody to talk to).

Good luck,
Mirage

MirageXD wrote:@Neil@Libra: Your post is full of nonsense, prejudice, and BS. It is obvious you know nothing about medication, yet you preach about it. It would seem you think that people who use meds are drug addicts, and your comparison to kidnappers truely is one of a kind.

I don't think you are here to spread your ideas. I think you simply hate mentally ill people due to your own experience with your mother.

Well, not everyone is the same. You cannot generalize your experience and apply it to all mentally ill. A simple fact is that most ill people cannot help themselves, and I can tell you right now that I would be a very different person today if I didn't take my meds. The illness changes you way more than medication.

Believe what you want though. I do believe you need help (somebody to talk to).

Good luck,
Mirage

I am the help, one of them anyway. You don't recognize that fact because your "meds', which are actually neuro-toxins, and all the psycho-babble and suppression that comes with your anti-therapy, are designed to prevent case recovery, to make you incompetent and keep you that way- in an irresponsible drunk-like stupor for the rest of your life. You've probably never even looked at any alternatives- enjoy your brave new world phoniness and keep your amateur evaluations to yourself.

I had no intention of even addressing intellectual and emotional cowards here- these threads are for psychiatric survivors, not people who've bought into the suppressive system and hence will never take responsibility for themselves, who insist that living in a state of mental immaturity and drug-dependence is 'stable' and balanced.

What can I say? There's a sucker bred into the system every minute..

You know, I deal with people like you a lot. Most of them are paranoid schizophrenics though. They are convinced about their one truth, and nothing can convince them otherwise. For example, they have delusions like "meds are neuro-toxins", and they like to insult people in their despair, because nobody believes them.

I did know one spiritualist who was also convinced about a talk therapy being the only way to recovery. She was a much nicer person than you, so I actually read her posts and thought about them. I have yet to meet a person who has undergone the therapy successfully. Maybe they just don't like this site.

I hate to break it to you, but you are no help to anyone. You just confuse unstable people who are paranoid about medication.

Have fun,
Mirage

It's doubtful if you even want to wake up and remember yourself, here's a whole slew of opportunities for actually become sane, which you seem to be threatened by: http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/directory/search.asp

paranoid refers to people who see something as threatening when it really isn't; If you look into these places you might eventually raise your confront level to the point where you can see how twisted and contrafactual the mental 'health' system is for yourself. Eventually. Has your doctor ever even provided you with a wash out. Ever mentioned case resolution?

You know what? Let's put your skills to a test. I mean, why would you want to convince me when I'm already sane? Let's try it with somebody who actually needs your help.

The guy I'm talking about is called Mark, and he has two threads here:
schizophrenia/topic57404.html
schizophrenia/topic59417.html

I wasted about 100 posts talking to him. I'm sure you can do a better job. Here's your chance to prove that your way works. He's not on any meds, and he seems to have paranoid schizophrenia.

Good luck,
Mirage

Neil@Libra wrote:...drug addicts...too cowed to even control their own minds...it will render you completely irresponsible and dependent, incompetent.

suicide can be a call for help; it can also be a type of psychological black mail...stop using it as an excuse to get on the path of genuine recovery.

...mental real estate you don't seem able to control presently...don't drag the rest of your relations down with you, or use it to invalidate my points with the loser attitudes, because I have no temperance or tolerance for this kind of rationalization.

...one who doesn't respect himself and lets someone else treat his own body as their property, to drug or push around anyway he chooses, and consequently, stop you.

How about, instead of calling us names such as drug addicts, irresponsible, dependent, incompetent, psychological black mailers, excuse makers, and saying that we're too cowed to control our minds, that we drag down our family with us, and let others push us around with meds, you focus on facts.

You don't know what kind of person I am. You don't know what my family dynamics are. You don't know my full attitude towards medication - only that I am on them right now and they've helped me. You're clueless on my life. So focus on the facts instead, please.

MirageXD wrote:You know what? Let's put your skills to a test. I mean, why would you want to convince me when I'm already sane? Let's try it with somebody who actually needs your help.

The guy I'm talking about is called Mark, and he has two threads here:
schizophrenia/topic57404.html
schizophrenia/topic59417.html

I wasted about 100 posts talking to him. I'm sure you can do a better job. Here's your chance to prove that your way works. He's not on any meds, and he seems to have paranoid schizophrenia.

Good luck,
Mirage

Links don't work. Best thing for to focus on is staying free while he runs out whatever is going through. It usually requires moving to a new environment, in a different state. Even going camping would help give him some space, and it's cheap; Going out for walks will help tremendously; exercise, as long he can stay low and cool and keep from weirding out anyone. Here's some therapeutic materials you can post over there, but it takes time:
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl05t.shtml
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH11.HTM
http://buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07a.shtml
http://home.ramonsky.com/stuff/icmm/ch3.html
http://chironian.deviantart.com/

Here are some descriptions of effective (alternative) therapies, &c that might help him understand his condition:

http://www.uncommonforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=43466
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nat ... icCtC.html
http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/ ... 7103cb39fc
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-jaffe/ ... 46222.html
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5 ... opic=16875
http://www.ieeetmc.org/index.php?q=node/868
http://www.mindfreedom.org/personal-stories
http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn
http://www.infinitefutures.com/essays/change3.shtml
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-20023112-247.html

But he, like you, needs to take over the management of yourself; and remembering who you truly are after psychiatric abuse is not a fun time in most respects.

-- Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:33 pm --

Here are some quotes that anyone living under the suppression of psychiatry can gain great balance and relief from: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lao_tzu.html#en

Neil@Libra wrote:Links don't work.

LOL. Of course, they work. Just go to the local schizophrenia forum and look for "Schizophrenia, Psychic, and our Government 1" and "Government Mind Control and Schizophrenia" threads. You can't miss them.

Neil@Libra wrote:But he, like you, needs to take over the management of yourself; and remembering who you truly are after psychiatric abuse is not a fun time in most respects.

Don't tell it to me. Tell it to him. He needs your help now.

No more excuses, please.

On one hand, I understand the impulse to believe that there's some deliberate conspiracy behind the (really and truly terrible) abuses and stupidities inside the mental health system. The alternative is even harder to accept: that human beings can so mindlessly and dispassionately create and sustain a system that at best warehouses, drugs, and otherwise pacifies the "mentally ill" to the point they become compliant. I am still hoping that in general the parts act out of ignorance for the whole system and experience.

I had two hospitalizations. Both were more like prisons than hospitals. Both left me more scarred and distrustful of people than I had been before I went in. I went in with a locally broken heart; I came out with a globally broken heart. In any case where I might benefit from a trip to some medical facility, I resist...remembering what I went through personally and worse, what I observed happen to others.

Many, I think most of us, with "mental illness" see the world beyond us as essentially a hostile environment. There is no healing, nor can there ever be healing, in such places that reinforce this belief.

Probably there are systems that offer compassionate care and treatment - somewhere - but they are beyond my ability to afford.

Every mental health facility should have a special steering committee attached to it comprised at least of people who have had direct personal experience of their own "mental illness," if not people who are actually there and hospitalized. That is where I would begin.