Government Mind Control ? Mental Health System?

This whole site is fantastic, and may help alleviate the fear of the politico-psychiatric apparatus that seems fairly common here, especially this report:
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl05t.shtml

thanks neil. wow...a website hm...such a deal. but is too bad i'm already on meds to alleviate the fear of the politico-psychiatric thing. seems to be working pretty effectively but suppose i could use your website as backup plan.

so neil, if i go off my meds...how often ya think i should read stuff on this site?

john~
You are asking a question that you only should answer. The choice of paths, between the Scylla of a psychiatric survivor and the Caribdus of the psychiatric consumer are not easy choices, especially the former since it rubs the "experts" the wrong way.
But if your happy drug is affecting you as assumed, then you are not yourself. I only look at happiness that is earned as being true. At least I, with only a modicum of cigs and alcohol for temporary relief, know what I'm feeling is the real me. A continuously taken affect-altering drug will have you living "down the wrong pant-leg of time", as natural emotional responses determine one's ethic, character, the fidelity of one's handshake with one's soul, which is poisoned and injured by psych drugs especially.

Maybe you should find a doctor who can provide you with a wash out, some age regression therapy, and see how you do; opportunities can be found here:
http://www.cchr.org/alternatives/right- ... ormed.html

Also, It's rare to find doctors who even mention "case resolution" to their patients. Psych drugs are at most a temporary crutch, and can even complicate resolution when they are used for a short term.

"A scholar who cherishes the love of comfort is not fit to be deemed a scholar"
~Lao Tzu, anciet oriental philosopher

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ladyswan wrote:If you can pacify an entire population well enough so that they stop asking questions & demanding answers, there's plenty to gain.

Exactly, ladyswan! The psychiatric apparatus ushers in a brave new world, with the backing of Orwellian tactics from the political system and many people's own relations. Most people are either too ignorant, or if in the know, to frightened of the consequences to fight for their personal sovereigny. With psych-drugs, it's your natural personality that is at stake.
I remember a comment from Mother Theresa about how she would not protest war, but only the state of peace.

ahhh neil...my response was more a tongue-in-cheek thing. I did not and do not take any drugs and did the heal myself thing. my decision to not take drugs was based on me, determined by me, and i staid my course cause it worked for me. to beat the psych thing without drugs is a luxury many people cannot afford...for a multitude of reasons.

you may dismiss drug therapy for yourself but to dismiss drug therapy for all is foolish. are you a foolish man neil? nah...i think not, thinking you enjoy presenting things in an expert like manner that worked for you...but is all it is, something that worked for you.

johnbc wrote:ahhh neil...my response was more a tongue-in-cheek thing. I did not and do not take any drugs and did the heal myself thing. my decision to not take drugs was based on me, determined by me, and i staid my course cause it worked for me. to beat the psych thing without drugs is a luxury many people cannot afford...for a multitude of reasons.

you may dismiss drug therapy for yourself but to dismiss drug therapy for all is foolish. are you a foolish man neil? nah...i think not, thinking you enjoy presenting things in an expert like manner that worked for you...but is all it is, something that worked for you.

It's more a matter of personal integrity; mind altering drugs gloss over underlying causes instead of addressing them, which therapies like Gestalt (see; born to win), the diabasis process, auditing, etc. do.
And yes, My own self-determination has come at a terrible price. My ethic is a great luxury that others may not be able stay true to. The result of swerving is operating from a brave new world mentality.

are you saying that someone who takes meds to help with their psychological things has less personal integrity than you? are you saying that if only they knew what you know any person with personal integrity would have done the same as you?

johnbc wrote:are you saying that someone who takes meds to help with their psychological things has less personal integrity than you? are you saying that if only they knew what you know any person with personal integrity would have done the same as you?

Yes, but other factors need to be considered, such as:
- Supposedly responsible adults are pushing mind altering drugs on their patients, thus altering their natural affect and thoughts. Their personality is submerged and replaced by a drug induced persona.
Emotional I.Q. is quintessential to defining one's ethic, in the growth of character. The person's handshake with their soul is attenuated, filtered, the person subdued, cowed. The patient is no longer herself, literally.
-The continuous biochemical changes involved are both global and can be so subtle that the patient doesn't know how she herself has changed. A lot of times the patient goes through this alteration while disconnected from her relations, who could inform her of the changes that obtain.
-Happy pills tend to be addictive; which adds another rationale for continuing to take them. For example, in terms of addictive potential, ritalin, which is derived from meth, is given to children like candy. This is considered a normal procedure in schools, but is in fact insanity taking hold, just one step in ushering the peace afforded by brave new world.
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Calm does not correspond to sanity, it can be grossly inappropriate.

Neil@Libra wrote:Yes

Responses such as these are the reason why I usually don't read this part of the forum. They only make me lose my temper.

I wonder if some people wouldn't like to have their paranoid/delusional/suicidal personality changed to something they can live with.

Once you hear voices every other second telling you that you are no good, once you forget words in the middle of a sentence, once you see stuff from a horror movie every time you close your eyes, once you don't sleep for a week, once you think that you're telepathicaly communicating with other people, and once you overcome all of this without medication, then come here and spread the BS you are spreading now. You don't have the right to do it now. BTW, these were my experiences.

Sorry for the vent.

Mirage

MirageXD wrote:

Neil@Libra wrote:Yes

Responses such as these are the reason why I usually don't read this part of the forum. They only make me lose my temper.

I wonder if some people wouldn't like to have their paranoid/delusional/suicidal personality changed to something they can live with.

Once you hear voices every other second telling you that you are no good, once you forget words in the middle of a sentence, once you see stuff from a horror movie every time you close your eyes, once you don't sleep for a week, once you think that you're telepathicaly communicating with other people, and once you overcome all of this without medication, then come here and spread the BS you are spreading now. You don't have the right to do it now. BTW, these were my experiences.

Sorry for the vent.

Mirage

Completely agree with you Mirage. I don't have to deal with hallucinations or psychosis too often (a couple times a year) but without my meds I'm suicidal, unable to focus, and so anxious I don't leave the house. Thanks to going on meds, I've actually been able to concentrate on therapy, self-help and self-care, all things that do a lot to keep me stable.

I would say the mind needs to be altered at times, and, if we test a drug that does the trick, great.
On the other hand, I believe far too much faith is put in chemicals as a cure all.
I also believe there is too much of a ultra cheerleading attitude in the mental health industry, that ends up blaming the victim if they can't negotiate life as every bit as successfully as someone with no illness whatsoever.
Mental illness is not the same as the bad behavior of someone normal; it is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain.
It is said just take the medication, then, and that solves that.
Medication is not a perfect solution. It may very well not help the problem.
Doctors are not perfect. They are human. They may very well not help the problem. The only treatment the person may have available may be inadequate. It often is in this country.
Overcoming illness is a partnership, and if the medical partner is inadequate for the task, that will affect the success.
I also believe that there is a God, and he (or she, if you prefer) can cure mental illness. Yet the very idea of God is routinely mocked in the mental health community, as if it were a pie in the sky childish belief, and again, the victim is blamed if he simply doesn’t “get over” his problems, no matter how severe or debilitating.
I would conclude that there is nothing wrong with optimism, in fact it is vital, yet there is nothing wrong with realism either.
Despite the motivational poster school of thought, not everyone in life can be whatever they want to be.
I don’t believe mental health care is a form of mind control or a conspiracy, but I DO believe it is often inadequate and too convinced of it’s own infallibility, and often too eager to blame the victim for being unable to fully overcome severe problems, and that many reforms need to be made.
That poster went off the deep end, but, on the other hand, it is just as dangerous to believe nothing is wrong with mental health care industry, and people only have themselves to blame if their lives aren’t on the right track.
The Dr. Phil school of thought needs to go.