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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby Buddha443556 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:10 pm

maddogmaddy wrote:A very touchy situation, this medication thing.

Oh your not kidding! I do wonder how much longer this house of card has before it falls.

babybowrain wrote:it's kind of hard to do research on meds when you're psychotic or terrified or whatever...the Internet is a scary place!

One of the best source for medical information and research-- by National Institute of Health. You read enough, you'll learn the truth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

The most comprehensive source for drug actions and drug targets-- by University of Alberta.
http://www.drugbank.ca/

Comprehensive source of FDA drug information-- by WebMD.
http://www.rxlist.com/

Start with those reliable sources. I've also found not having a TV very relaxing.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby babybowrain » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:08 pm

i barely watch t.v. anymore and I'm much less terrified than I used to be :)
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby jilkens » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:56 am

babybowrain wrote:i barely watch t.v. anymore and I'm much less terrified than I used to be :)


I don't watch T.V. anymore, either. It stresses me out. Too much bad news, everything seems like a crisis.
Blame it on me, but know that I won't regret one iota.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby maddogmaddy » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:41 am

babybowrain wrote:it's kind of hard to do research on meds when you're psychotic or terrified or whatever...the internet is a scary place!



I guess I never thought of it that way, which seems odd now that you've said it. Even during some of my worst episodes I've gone online to research my symptoms, possible treatments, etc. For me though, it acts as a good distraction. It forces me to use a different part of my brain, kind-of pushes me into "work mode" if you will.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby maddogmaddy » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:42 am

Buddha443556 wrote:
maddogmaddy wrote:A very touchy situation, this medication thing.

Oh your not kidding! I do wonder how much longer this house of card has before it falls.

babybowrain wrote:it's kind of hard to do research on meds when you're psychotic or terrified or whatever...the Internet is a scary place!

One of the best source for medical information and research-- by National Institute of Health. You read enough, you'll learn the truth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

The most comprehensive source for drug actions and drug targets-- by University of Alberta.
http://www.drugbank.ca/

Comprehensive source of FDA drug information-- by WebMD.
http://www.rxlist.com/

Start with those reliable sources. I've also found not having a TV very relaxing.


I've spent a lot of time reading on the National Institute of Mental Health's site....it is indeed a good place to learn.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby jessicaborthwick » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:14 am

i find that thay are putting younger and younger children on them
iv been on psych drugs since i was 7
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby Junius Brutus » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:48 am

The average depressive episode is around 25 weeks. By the time you've been put on one anti-depressant, had the dosage bumped up, waited the 6-8 weeks, tapered off, started another anti-depressant, had the dosage bumped up, and waited another 6-8 weeks, the episode would almost be over. Since you are getting less depressed the psychiatrist can confidently say that it must have been the medicine! They can pat themselves on the back and think they've earned their exorbitant fees for their monthly 15 minute sessions.

Insurance companies and government health-care programs love them because medication is cheaper than therapy. Poisoning someone until they pretend that they are better is an easier solution than actually teaching a person decent coping skills.

And don't get me started on anti-psychotics! Permanent neurological damage apparently isn't a significant enough "side-effect" to even warn the patient (at least for my psychiatrists).

Sadly, unless you agree to take the psychiatrist's toxic brew, most therapists won't help since you are being non-compliant. They also apparently still believe that you need to balance the humors.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby Sandie » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:27 pm

yea. My first therapist ever said every week (free sessions through school - well. kinda.) "I can not help you unless you go on antidepressents"

WHAT THE???? really?

So finally it gets bad enough I figure it might be worth the risk. Enter horrible side effects and them saying"oh it's probably just you just keep taking them" :evil: ... idiots. Needless to say it did not help and it took me along time to find one that would actuall work with me.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby jessicaborthwick » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:57 am

anyone ever been on tegretol?(for mood swings) it nearly KILLED me

most antidepressants (especially SSRI) make me more agitated and aggressive

most the meds make me put on weight

im on seroquel (1200mg a day) at the moment and every time i try to come off it i get withdrawal symptoms
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Re: Has anyone else noticed...

Postby Ori » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:02 am

Hello everyone. :)

I am new to this forum and have been labelled as "bipolar II." For seven years I have taken the various meds the doctors prescribed, all of which eventually stopped working. I wonder why this happens, to begin with. Does brain chemistry rebalance over time to reestablish the older pattern? If so, then why? The body is generally very "wise" in functioning; if this is so, then why might we need this rebalance?

Second, after my seven years' experience with psych drugs, the ones I took in any case did nothing to heal or cure or even alleviate my "illness." They masked it, and sometimes have made the pain easier to handle - on the surface - but on deeper levels the pain was always there. The drugs just made me incapable of focussing my mind, concentrating, remembering, so I could not so clearly perceive and thus document and note my emotional condition to myself and others.

Recently, partly because I developed seizures as a result of one of the most recent medications, I took myself off all meds. At this point, I would rather have the pain of severe depression in full force rather than return to the twilight life of the person I used to be on psych meds. I have made a pact with myself that I will not succumb to this pain, but do my utmost to work with it, not against it, and see where this takes me.

It occurs to me that some of us with co-called "psychiatric disorders" may be the ones who perceive life most clearly. Existence in human form is painful. We are born, at least some of us, with an enormous capacity for love, for human connection, and yet, according to the nature of things, there is no single thing we love that we can hold in perpetuity. Aside from that, there are all the disasters caused by man and nature as well as all the various disappointments of desires and expectations. And so on. In the end, we see from the experience of others that our bodies (at least) die and everything we worked for and accumulated is no longer of any use to us. I think it is natural and even quite reasonable to be sad, given the certainty of impermanence and the surety of suffering.

I have observed a few things since I really began to take note of the depression without the mask of drugs. It begins not as "mood" or "negative mind pictures," but as actual physical sensation in throat and upper chest. From that point it develops into the negative thoughts of past/present/future that those of us with depression know. As these images begin to take shape, as I "remember" or put them together, I try to focus on something simple and "present," like some physical object that exists concretely in front of me - anything without a particular emotional colouration. This helps. By this, I turn off the negative, hurtful, painful "tapes" that begin to play inside my mind and they become unreal to me.

Does anyone else reading this have useful, simple, practical strategies they use when depression begins?

I am just at the edges of beginning to learn how to handle depression skillfully and without drugs, so I am grateful for anyone else's help.
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