God is the answer to all your problems

P.S

Science doesn't seek to be religion or to replace religion. Science seeks only to find the how and why of our universe. It will never replace religion, they are not at odds. Many religions welcome and are open to science, I think that these will replace those religions that cannot accept or evolve with science.

I wish I could believe in God. I really, really do.

For all our scientific achievements, we know next to nothing about the universe.

Atheist wordsmiths make me shudder. So, you read a few books. Congratulations. You still know next to nothing.

I say this as an atheist who cannot reconcile religion with my sense of 'logic'.

Quinta wrote:I wish I could believe in God. I really, really do.

For all our scientific achievements, we know next to nothing about the universe.

Atheist wordsmiths make me shudder. So, you read a few books. Congratulations. You still know next to nothing.

I say this as an atheist who cannot reconcile religion with my sense of 'logic'.

Condescending nihlism is hardly something to be proud of.

You typed the thought that science knows almost nothing on a computer and sent it as an impulse of electrons through wires to the rest of the world to respond to it instantly. Nothing at all.

I could equivocate, but if the assumption "you still know next to nothing" is true, then nobody knows anything. I'm not sure how wishing (or just plain) belief in god is relevant to this, since it adds nothing to our knowledge base.

As for "Atheist wordsmiths make me shudder" If you like, I can dumb down my future posts for you?

ChosenOne wrote:You typed the thought that science knows almost nothing on a computer and sent it as an impulse of electrons through wires to the rest of the world to respond to it instantly. Nothing at all. I could equivocate, but if the assumption "you still know next to nothing" is true, then nobody knows anything.

In the grand scheme of things, electrons running through wires are fairly insignificant. In a universe of infinite possibilities, we know almost nothing. I never said 'nothing at all'.

ChosenOne wrote:I'm not sure how wishing (or just plain) belief in god is relevant to this, since it adds nothing to our knowledge base.

Are you an aspie? There is more to life than adding to our knowledge bank. If believing in God brings comfort and the belief does not harm anyone, then why not? How is this relevant to my previous 'we know almost nothing' statement? I was commenting upon Dawkins enthusiasts who fail to acknowledge how very little they know and seem to get their kicks out of abusing others under the guise of spreading science (it's a bit evangelical, really).

ChosenOne wrote:If you like, I can dumb down my future posts for you?

No need. If you want to sound like a pretentious teenager trying to win teh Internet with your awesome smarts, that's fine. The rest of us will watch in awe.

ChosenOne wrote:

ladyswan wrote:But you're still responding to him, which just eggs him on. Let it die. I can't even be bothered to read the posts here.

Eggs him on. You make it sound like this issue is not worthy of debating, or otherwise talking about. In which case, it's simple ..unsubscribe from this post.

No. Actually, the simple thing would be to take this subject to an appropriate place. This is a psychology forum, not a place of religious & philosophical discussion.

It does a great disservice to those who come here for the reasons this forum exists.

//God is the answer to all your problems//

I highly reccomend the deletion of this thread if that is the case, for obvous reasons, as "god" is not the answer to anyones problems. Just a point of debate.

I am well aware of what this site is, I had to actually join, create a user name etc etc. And seeing that I am labeled with a PD, I am in the right place.

Dissmissed

False hope is no hope and robs people of the urgent need to really focus on what's important. I see the same flaw in religious promises of everlasting life. People meandering through life with the promise of better things after death never seem to savour experience or value time the way people who think we only get one shot do.

Morphine brought me comfort when I was hospitalised, but I wouldn't recommend it be handed out freely every Sunday morning. Comfort is comfortable and nothing more. Not good, not bad, just comfortable. We will all experience pain and loss. Trying to deal with painful experiences by dulling our reactions to them through false hopes is less effective than chemical approaches. At least with opiates or alcohol the comfort is guaranteed. Better again to deal with life as it is.

It is clear your understanding of the sciences are laking by your posts. And with your replies, you have yet anything intelligent to offer to this discussion, than your emotional opinion.

Good luck with that

-- Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:48 pm --

seem to get their kicks out of abusing others under the guise of spreading science (it's a bit evangelical, really)

let's just back track 80 years or so, when it was "popular" for European Catholics to support the Nazis as it was "God's word" that Jews were evil. In the 1930's it was alright for Catholics to discriminate against Jews, and in 2011 it is alright for Catholics to discriminate against Gays.

I can go on, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want to sound like a pretentious teenager trying to win teh Internet with your awesome smarts, that's fine. The rest of us will watch in awe.

in other words.....People should ignore all contradictory evidence (about everything science has to offer) and come to their own conclusion (through years and years of indoctrination by other believers) there is a god.

I beleive you will continue to watch in awe, and maybe even one day learn something.

ChosenOne wrote:I see the same flaw in religious promises of everlasting life. People meandering through life with the promise of better things after death never seem to savour experience or value time the way people who think we only get one shot do.

haha... cute, too cute.

I'm an atheist and I certainly don't savour experience or value time more than theists. In fact, it's past 7am here and I've been up most of the night trying to fend off thoughts of suicide. I'm probably going to sleep all day. Sometimes I don't leave the house for months, too afraid to even take out the garbage. Oh, yes, I savour life alright.

ChosenOne wrote:Comfort is comfortable and nothing more. Not good, not bad, just comfortable.

I disagree. Comfort for me isn't neutral. Right now, it would be the best thing since sliced bread.

ChosenOne wrote:It is clear your understanding of the sciences are laking by your posts.

Correct, but I do have a tremendous amount of respect for scientists who dedicate their lives to, say, eradicating diseases or learning more about our planet and universe. But guess what? Some of them are God-believers. Shock, horror. Science has made a great many things possible and has provided a wealth of information. That information, however, is still next to nothing within the context of a potentially infinite universe.

ChosenOne wrote:And with your replies, you have yet anything intelligent to offer to this discussion, than your emotional opinion.

Considering this is a mental illness forum and not a p*ssing contest debate forum, I fail to see the problem.

ChosenOne wrote:let's just back track 80 years or so, when it was "popular" for European Catholics to support the Nazis as it was "God's word" that Jews were evil. In the 1930's it was alright for Catholics to discriminate against Jews, and in 2011 it is alright for Catholics to discriminate against Gays.

Would you like me to list all the genocidal maniac atheists of the 20th century? I never once claimed religion wasn't responsible for many heinous acts, but if an individual wants to believe without hurting or forcing their beliefs onto others, how is that a problem?

ChosenOne wrote:It's not arrogant to demand evidence before accepting outrageous claims as correct.
It's just rational.

Know what's arrogant? To claim some "god" for which there is no evidence of any kind actually exists, then demand everyone in the world accept that unsupportable belief, or face eternal fiery punishment. That's arrogance.



-- Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:41 am --

I still find myself wanting to reach through your screen and slap you so hard your teeth slam together

I actually do that in my mind when I am frustrated about something (physical violence). If it helps you to return to a rational mental state, then give it a try ! You have nothing to lose at all

I don't believe in God and you aren't changing my mind.
"Return to a rational state"
###$ you.
Just because you carry yourself as if you're better than the next guy, doesn't mean you are.
I simply found myself annoyed at your refusing to accept the idea that you aren't converting anyone, bro.
Giveit a rest already.You wannabe all into God? good for you. Whatever helps you sleep at night.