God is the answer to all your problems

zausel firstly i've been trying to avoid direct discussions regarding god as it's essentially pointless to argue the existence/non-existence of one. it is ok if a statement is made like 'i believe that god exists' or 'i don't believe there is a god' but anything more than that doesn't really do anything and honestly i thought it was going quite nicely in this regard.

also though i don't understand calculus to be able to understand the math behind different physics i do enjoy reading science articles and science poses just as many questions as philosophy and theology i feel.

i do not have a nice and tidy list of what makes for good leadership so i do not have specifics in this regard. i have not followed mitt romney's political career but during the debates for the republican primary the overall picture i've gotten is that he doesn't stand for something solidly he only says what he think the people want to hear. he is a classic politician and represents the vagueness that you are speaking of. i do not see romney as a true leader, he may be intelligent and rich but this in itself doesn't make a good leader. he has his views but he doesn't stand by them and rarely lets his voters know what they are.

i have not read the book of mormon. i do know they were discriminated against early in u.s. history and they eventually had utah put as their state to freely practice. but i haven't read their book as it was written after scrying and as this deals with the occult i have no interest in reading it. some people may call it christianity but i do not agree with this sentiment. even the early christians before nero killed a bunch of them in rome were split amongst themselves so this is nothing new.

i'm not sure how far back you want me to discuss specifics but i will do my best.

but the middle ages in europe essentially revolved around death. at the time it was about the ruling religious elite killing people who weren't 'worshipping' who the leaders said they should worship. during the 1600s (maybe 1500s too?) a bunch of people were sick of it so they hopped on a boat and sailed across the atlantic and settled as the colonies. but the puritans were doin essentially what was done against them but each area was different. eventually the colonies needed to form a united front and after the war of independence they wrote the constitution that did a great job at preventing people like the ruling religious elite from mucking things up. but by itself they didn't think it was enough so they added the bill of rights shortly after that talks of the seperation of church and state.

i am sure i could take the time to give you links but it wasn't just one or two links i read regarding unemployment it's been a bunch of information digested since the financial collapse at the end of 2008. but if you want to read more about this you can go online to the bureau of labor and statistics, and then you can also check out the gao government accountability office which frequently checks up on unemployment figures. you can also check out congressional financial committees and their hearings, where representatives and senators grill different people on why they skewed testimonies and budgets and whatnot.

perhaps it is the difference of our states but i've seen nothing regarding the imposition of christian views in every facet of life. especially no imposition brought into existence through the state/federal government. what i have been seeing is the slow imposition of why we ought to abandon the idea of the united states and merge with a globalist mindset. by itself this mindset can seem innocent but i see it as nothing like that.

note that although i'm not averse to specifics i try and keep them to a bare minimum because it's usually a contextual picture that i try and paint for someone else. sure, this 'specific tree's wood grain' painting might tell ya something but the forest and water and skies painted behind it would tell you more.

mitt romney shouldn't be 'feared' because of his mormon faith. he shouldn't really be feared in the first place but there are many stronger imbalances present that essentially trump the aspect of faith. like i said about his vague answers, waivering idealogies, smooth rhetoric to attempt to cover up his nakedness. i don't buy it but it doesn't matter it only matters how many electorates vote for him.

This is what i mean about specifics. You say im skipping aspects of leadership, but you cant even name these aspects. ive gone three pages ignoring this(brought it up a page or two ago, but i guess it overread) and come to find out you were blowing hot air to talk. Your fighting me to fight me, or you would be able to explain yourself when i ask questions. You can not give me specifics on what im ignoring, thus you cannot find anything wrong in what i said. this is like "your wrong"
"why?"
"just cause." incidents. If you conflict with me, to be able to back your claims up. " your ignoring aspects of leadership."
"Which aspects?"
"I dont know, but you are." is not a valid reason to disagree. if you can not say what im skipping, then you should not say anything about me skipping over stuff.

ocular_razor wrote:perhaps it is the difference of our states but i've seen nothing regarding the imposition of christian views in every facet of life. especially no imposition brought into existence through the state/federal government. what i have been seeing is the slow imposition of why we ought to abandon the idea of the united states and merge with a globalist mindset. by itself this mindset can seem innocent but i see it as nothing like that.

So, your telling me homosexuals can get married in your state and have always been able to in the history of the US? It would also be ignorant to tell me the country is not run by Christians. Sure we can choose what religion we want. But the religion of MOST politicians in the USA is Christian, fact. So why cant these homosexuals get married? because these people in charge got told by some book that it is wrong. What is wrong with two people loving each other?

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no_evolution/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-hor ... 87834.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_ke ... al_1058490
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/28/State ... ut_o.shtml
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... nt-design/
http://amarillo.com/stories/1999/09/02/bel_bad.shtml

Do you want more links? I can give you a ton more. Who is doing this? CHRISTIANS.School is a place to learn the FACTS. so why isnt creationism taught in schools? because it is not FACT. it is a belief based on nothing. Evolution is as much fact as 2+2=4.Would you like the evidence to show 2+2=4? ill get it for you. Do you wnat the evidence for evolution? ill get it for you. creationism is as much fact as 1+1=5. What evidence for creatinism? i cant get it for you. want evidence 1+1=5? i cant get it for you. Evolution is an important concept to have an misunderstanding on if you wish to understand the rest of biology or various sects of biology. Creationism does no good in an educational sense because all it does is breed ignorance about biology and science.Any "opinion" of this is based on ignorance and maybe you should research on evolution or mathematical theory more.

note that although i'm not averse to specifics i try and keep them to a bare minimum because it's usually a contextual picture that i try and paint for someone else. sure, this 'specific tree's wood grain' painting might tell ya something but the forest and water and skies painted behind it would tell you more.

No, thats painting a specific picture. Youd be giving me skies, water, forest. Your giving me a canvas painted blue half the time. I need more than a blue canvas to comment ontopic.

mitt romney shouldn't be 'feared' because of his mormon faith. he shouldn't really be feared in the first place but there are many stronger imbalances present that essentially trump the aspect of faith. like i said about his vague answers, waivering idealogies, smooth rhetoric to attempt to cover up his nakedness. i don't buy it but it doesn't matter it only matters how many electorates vote for him.

Feared because hes Mormon? no, no, no. I had several Mormon friends in high school. Great people. Loved hangin out with them .So friendly. Nicest, friendliest, and overall most decent people ever met. I talked to a Mormon girl and her family made me feel more like family than my own family did. Great people. However, they have some bat $#%^ crazy ideals once your inside the church and would not wish for them to hold power. Good friends, bad leaders. It doesnt matter how good of a person you are, if you want to impose your view of homosexuality on an entire nation i will refuse to vote for you. Oppression is never something you need to "get both sides on". I am afraid of him because he is willing to oppress several sets of people(gay, lesbian, trany, cross) because his religion says so. This holds true for Christians. Good people...until they tell you their believes and i get horrified. Good friends, bad leaders.

Also, Mormons accept Jesus as their savior. They accept the Bible as the Word of the God. The only difference is they "discovered" a new book and read two books instead of 1. So in fact they are considered a sect of Christianity. People just like to loosely throw around the word cult and play word games due to ignorance. This was explained to me by the parents of the girl i talked to.

Why do i focus on the negative? because that is the issue. There are to many negatives to make the positives anywhere near remotely acceptable.

Cherry-picking - is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed unintentionally.

Im not ignoring anything. Its just that Negative > positive in this case, thus it is detrimental. Ive given scripture saying "love thy neighbor". Then i give scipture saying "kill the gays". two opposite ends of the spectrum that contradict each other. If you do not cherry pick the bible, it does not make sense and you realize how badly thought out it is. The only way for someone to accept the Bible and agree with it, is to cherry pick. If you do not there is no way to take it seriously.

buddhaneo@ wrote:To start with, psychiatry is all lies and can not help anyone, anywhere, anyhow. It is as Scientology says, the cause of all evil, in the universe as well as Creation.

psychiatry can help a psychiatrist put food on the table, therefore it can help someone, right here and now.

it seems unlikely that an earth based science, little more than a hundred years old, can be the cause of all the evil in the universe since the dawn of time. do you have any actual evidence that this is so, or do you want us to take your word for it?

buddhaneo@ wrote:Without psychiatry this world would be a Paradise.

but before psychiatry earth was little different than it is now, seems unlikely that it will be suddenly transformed into paradise with its removal.

buddhaneo@ wrote:Perhaps this is enough for now.

perhaps it's more than enough.

oh, and give my regards to mr cruise.

marycarterpaint wrote:
oh, and give my regards to mr cruise.

lolz were had.

zausel wrote:This is what i mean about specifics. You say im skipping aspects of leadership, but you cant even name these aspects.

hello again zausel i used the context 'aspects' instead of a list of leadership traits, and i told you i didn't use a list because i don't have a list and i would think if anyone decided to write a list of leadership traits it can easily get very very long to cover 'aspects'. you are a fan of specifics but like i said about 'holding a mirror around a corner' and 'periscope' and 'wow, great, this wood grain is real detailed but oh, i don't see the sun anywhere so i can't get my bearing to navigate around this forest. oh well at least i have this pretty little wood grain here that will keep me company while i am lost and starving to death.'

you are a fan of specifics and facts and like i said facts needn't be wholly complete to be considered facts. i didn't read the links you posted and i'm not sure why you continue to be hung up on evolution you are not acknowledging what i've said on more than one occasion here. actually i think since you are so hung up on evolution then along with biology classes in school you should also go after history classes. though they teach 'facts' they are not nearly wholly complete and give kids a skewed view on history.

oh, hey, here's a fact. i'm a filthy-rich trillionaire.

so just because i call myself something makes it factual and true? then why would the word 'christian' be any different? you seek for internet links to spell something out for you, you call yourself a man of reason, yet you either choose to ignore this simple deduction or you are not as reasonable as you state you are. you are also forgetting the rottenness of policitics. so what a politician calls themself something means it's 'factual and true'? how can 'you' be so factually certain that they are not just appealing to their voting base, just to get into office?

oh, hey, i decided to be an advocate for the dirt poor.

so, just because i call myself an advocate means i'm one? pull your head outta your ass. yes, you say christians are running this country, others say jews are running this country, others say nazis are runnings this country. wow, all these specifics pretty much conflict with each other huh? oh yea, my bad, this isn't spelled out enough for you you might actually have to use your own brain on why this conflicts.

you see, christianity is seperate from judaism fundamentally. and then the nazis killed both of them equally. ya know, since you want someone else to deduce for you.

yea, give me more links on who else is running the country. be careful now you don't want to end up bein called a nutter and ostracized from your own community. now if you said 'career crooks' you'd be more in alignment.

oh yea, specifics. a crook is someone who commits crime and since it is career crooks and since we are talking about politicians, it is someone who over the course of their political career commits crimes.

crime: a violation of statutory code warranting judicial punishment. (sorry i'm not as suave to use webster)

yes you want a list of specific leadership traits and apparently you don't find what i wrote about 'not sticking by his views' and 'waivering' absolutely frightening. you don't think 'ambiguity' is a red flag of leadership. sure one can take anything to mean what they want (great example of you saying someone calling themself something makes it factual and true) but it ain't a joke the country is ready to crumble like the soviets did.

when you speak of mormons, nowhere did i say mormonism was not a sect of christianity so i don't know what you mean by:

So in fact they are considered a sect of Christianity.

but this is just you again getting lost in specifics and ignoring the entire context i've been painting. i'm not claiming to be the best at it but if i'm failing this miserably for you to not even actually read what's being written, then this will be my last post regarding this topic.

and don't confuse the word 'cult' with 'occult'. if you want to superimpose words comin off the tv onto mine i can't stop you but you aren't doin anyone any favors by doing so.

you say, yet again, you aren't ignoring anything. so, what then, did all of my posts have big chunks taken out? are you getting someone else to help you respond?

ok...since you say you're not ignoring anything, i say i'm the ceo of bank of america and i'm on a yacht in the middle of the indian ocean sippin down margaritas.

ocular_razor wrote:

zausel wrote:This is what i mean about specifics. You say im skipping aspects of leadership, but you cant even name these aspects.

hello again zausel i used the context 'aspects' instead of a list of leadership traits, and i told you i didn't use a list because i don't have a list and i would think if anyone decided to write a list of leadership traits it can easily get very very long to cover 'aspects'. you are a fan of specifics but like i said about 'holding a mirror around a corner' and 'periscope' and 'wow, great, this wood grain is real detailed but oh, i don't see the sun anywhere so i can't get my bearing to navigate around this forest. oh well at least i have this pretty little wood grain here that will keep me company while i am lost and starving to death.'

you are a fan of specifics and facts and like i said facts needn't be wholly complete to be considered facts. i didn't read the links you posted and i'm not sure why you continue to be hung up on evolution you are not acknowledging what i've said on more than one occasion here. actually i think since you are so hung up on evolution then along with biology classes in school you should also go after history classes. though they teach 'facts' they are not nearly wholly complete and give kids a skewed view on history.

oh, hey, here's a fact. i'm a filthy-rich trillionaire.

so just because i call myself something makes it factual and true? then why would the word 'christian' be any different? you seek for internet links to spell something out for you, you call yourself a man of reason, yet you either choose to ignore this simple deduction or you are not as reasonable as you state you are. you are also forgetting the rottenness of policitics. so what a politician calls themself something means it's 'factual and true'? how can 'you' be so factually certain that they are not just appealing to their voting base, just to get into office?

oh, hey, i decided to be an advocate for the dirt poor.

so, just because i call myself an advocate means i'm one? pull your head outta your ass. yes, you say christians are running this country, others say jews are running this country, others say nazis are runnings this country. wow, all these specifics pretty much conflict with each other huh? oh yea, my bad, this isn't spelled out enough for you you might actually have to use your own brain on why this conflicts.

you see, christianity is seperate from judaism fundamentally. and then the nazis killed both of them equally. ya know, since you want someone else to deduce for you.

yea, give me more links on who else is running the country. be careful now you don't want to end up bein called a nutter and ostracized from your own community. now if you said 'career crooks' you'd be more in alignment.

oh yea, specifics. a crook is someone who commits crime and since it is career crooks and since we are talking about politicians, it is someone who over the course of their political career commits crimes.

crime: a violation of statutory code warranting judicial punishment. (sorry i'm not as suave to use webster)

yes you want a list of specific leadership traits and apparently you don't find what i wrote about 'not sticking by his views' and 'waivering' absolutely frightening. you don't think 'ambiguity' is a red flag of leadership. sure one can take anything to mean what they want (great example of you saying someone calling themself something makes it factual and true) but it ain't a joke the country is ready to crumble like the soviets did.

when you speak of mormons, nowhere did i say mormonism was not a sect of christianity so i don't know what you mean by:

So in fact they are considered a sect of Christianity.

but this is just you again getting lost in specifics and ignoring the entire context i've been painting. i'm not claiming to be the best at it but if i'm failing this miserably for you to not even actually read what's being written, then this will be my last post regarding this topic.

and don't confuse the word 'cult' with 'occult'. if you want to superimpose words comin off the tv onto mine i can't stop you but you aren't doin anyone any favors by doing so.

you say, yet again, you aren't ignoring anything. so, what then, did all of my posts have big chunks taken out? are you getting someone else to help you respond?

ok...since you say you're not ignoring anything, i say i'm the ceo of bank of america and i'm on a yacht in the middle of the indian ocean sippin down margaritas.

this is going nowhere.....this is my last response. Your absolutely not understanding me, so either im horribly writing this or ya cant read. Either way im out.

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I'm so glad my husband helped me out and go from a deist to an atheist. Whew. If God were the answer to all my problems, oh my. He woulda' helped me in my greatest time of need. "God works in mysterious ways" is a baseless argument btw, due to the fact that the Christian God never said that about himself in your holy book. However, he does say he is a jealous god, so eh. Make whatever out of it. I'm just glad I got a weight lifted off my shoulder. My anxiety and depression was through the roof due to religious following, but after thinking further and realizing there is nothing watching me in the sky, I was very happy. It was only one of the first steps (for me) to getting better.

But I feel happy for those that implemented religion into their lives to get through hard times. As long as it not only works for you, but that you are happy and not feeling like a prisoner.

He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to read all the replies to this,

But I just wanted to ask you (OP):

Why do you think YOU understand the conscious thoughts of everyone around you?

....I'm guessing you realize that you can't possibly understand the collective will of the Human Consciousness. We're all too different.

I definitely can''t understand it all either, but at least I admit it. Try looking at Psychiatry and Psychology in a different light. Not everyone is like you. Psychology tries to be objective---- it's lots of different lenses that you can use to evaluate and understand "mental problems", or any negative mode of thinking.

(I agree with you general ideas about corporations and such, but I'm talking as if monopolized Pharmaceutical companie's didn't exist)

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