Hearing voices or electronic harassment?

Squirrel1 wrote:** Just a personal side comment here. Infinite Jester's incredibly aggressive and evasive disinformation makes me wonder if he thinks he's "defending" the psychiatric system, particularly patients, against the knowledge that not all "hearing voices" is necessarily from a natural medical condition. Just think about the stakes for the psychiatric establishment if patients generally knew that there is another possibility for the voices they hear.

By disinformation you mean direct quotation of the original articles published by the author in American Psychological Association style which includes author, date and page number. Of course, by evasive you mean clear explanations of why electromagnetic energy has never been demonstrated to communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to targets. Yes? (This is sarcasm)

And your right not all auditory phenomenon are caused by over-active 5-HT 2A Serotonin receptors or other neuronal and biochemical pathways of the brain. Some of it is caused by compressions and rarefactions of air molecules

In spite of your predictions, sometimes strangers just want to help

Please take care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yteMugRAc0

To members of this message board other than "Infinite Jester":

Infinite Jester keeps claiming that Sharp and Grove did not hear SPEECH.

Dr. Justesen's article said, specifically they DID hear speech:

From page 396, near the bottom of the left column, of the March 1975 issue of American Psychologist, by Dr. Don Justesen, Dr. Justesen wrote:

"Sharp and Grove found that appropriate modulation of microwave energy can result in direct 'wireless' and 'receiverless' communication of speech."

"... of SPEECH." "... of SPEECH." "... of SPEECH."

That exact quote can be read, FYI, in this scan of the original Justesen article:

http://www.randomcollection.info/ampsychv2s.pdf

I spoke personally with Dr. Justesen in the late 1990s to confirm that SPEECH was heard, and Dr. Justesen, then working at the Kansas City, MO, veterans hospital, did confirm SPEECH.

Anyone who has followed this thread can see that Infinite Jester has refused to quote that sentence, and instead has combed the article for other statements with which he believes he can convince you that SPEECH was not transmitted.

This is highly aggressive disinformation. Do not listen to this person. He has an agenda, for unknown motive, of trying to cover up the fact that pulsed microwave can carry voice. His assertions are not true.

Microwave pulses can be demonstrated as generating clicks in the human hearing sense, as Dr. Allen Frey demonstrated, without attempting to transmit voice:

http://www.randomcollection.info/frey.htm

Again, NO VOICE WAS ATTEMPTED, instead, Frey was investigating what radar technicians had been hearing since World War II.

That a microwave pulse can be heard as a click is not debateable.

Now, there is a simple circuit which can demonstrate how voice and music can be easily synthesized from just clicks, on page 6 of the same document linked above:

http://www.randomcollection.info/ampsychv2s.pdf

So whether Infinite Jester believes Justesen was lying or not, the demonstration of voice from clicks, together with the common experiences of high power radar technicians hearing clicks, can be done by anyone with the resources to set up the demo. Sharp's work is not actually needed.

What we have here is a poster desperately trying to cover up the reality of microwave voice to skull. Clearly he is very familiar with the article in question, and clearly he saw and refused to post the sentence confirming speech. Clearly, he ignores the reality of microwave hearing and synthesis of voice from a string of controlled-timing clicks. And he ignores Dr. Justesen's confirmation to me.

The person is a disinformation agent, and his behaviour here shows that for all to see.

Again your confusing words that Justesen uses with Sharp and Groves research. Sharp and Grove only trained themselves to be able to hear the numbers 1-9 via electromagnetic energy. Regardless of whether or not Justesen uses the words "speech" electromagnetic energy has still not been demonstrated to communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language. A point which you have never dealt with.

Squirrel1 wrote:The person is a disinformation agent, and his behaviour here shows that for all to see.

Ah great you found out . I thought my guise of someone who doesn't want you to go through the day believing people are shooting you in the head with sci-fi technology was a good cover.

Take care.

3 remarks about the last 2 pages:

1. We know that pills don't make it better. Other victims of voice to skull harassment have believed that they were smart: what if the voices could be stopped with medication, so they went to a shrink and asked pills. Result: still hearing voices.
2. If I remember well, then Dr Robertson mentioned in his speech that voice to skull has been demonstrated at the university where he worked. Someone was ordered with voice to skull to buy a cake. When that person arrived with the cake, it was revealed that the cake was ordered using voice to skull.
3. Sharp and Grove didn't train themselves. I think that Sharp radiated Grove and Grove radiated Sharp.

This is what gang stalking is...

youtube:
Message to Americans - A Critical Appraisal

Mind Control, youtube:
Robert Naeslund Mind Control Victim

and google,

“The Silent Massacre, Part 1
Law Enforcement Complicity in Electronic Torture & Mind Control in America”

The Silent Massacre is a 6 part essay. In part 5 Nicholas Kirkland includes writings from a victim, David James Fratus, a prisoner in the Utah State Prison in Draper, Utah, who wrote of his experiences with ESMC in that facility in a 1988 letter. It is absolutely horrifying

These links, however, do not address the complicity of psychiatrist, researchers and others with for profit motivations.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:

1. We know that pills don't make it better. Other victims of voice to skull harassment have believed that they were smart: what if the voices could be stopped with medication, so they went to a shrink and asked pills. Result: still hearing voices.
2. If I remember well, then Dr Robertson mentioned in his speech that voice to skull has been demonstrated at the university where he worked. Someone was ordered with voice to skull to buy a cake. When that person arrived with the cake, it was revealed that the cake was ordered using voice to skull.
3. Sharp and Grove didn't train themselves. I think that Sharp radiated Grove and Grove radiated Sharp.

(1) Antipsychotic medication is the only evidence based treatment for Schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders.
(2) The story about Dr. Robertson isn't evidence.
(3) We don't know what Sharp and Grove did because they never published their research. Justesen's citation reads:

"Sharp, J. C., & Grove, M. Personal communication, September 28, 1973."

Here's the source http://sm4csi.home.xs4all.nl/nwo/MindCo ... havior.htm

Personal communication is not the name of the article as I originally thought, it's Justesen source in the sense that Sharp and Grove told Justesen that they did an experiment via personal communication and he published it.

This is what your basing your belief in V2S on: Hearsay.

Come on Cliff, the truth that no one is out to get you with V2S is liberating. Just review the evidence and my reasoning. I hope it makes you feel better. Take care.

What you say is disinformation.
It helps only the people who want to perpetuate these crimes.

This Faraday cage effect causes Faraday cages to act as shields for strong electric fields or other electrical effects. In addition electromagnetic waves consist of oscillating electric and magnetic fields. Therefore Faraday cages effectively shield electromagnetic waves or electromagnetic radiation as long as the holes in the wire mesh are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the electromagnetic waves. For this reason Faraday cages are sometimes called Faraday shields.

The metal shell of a microwave oven also acts as a Faraday cage and traps the microwaves inside the oven.

This voice to scull myth can be confirmed or busted with a roll of tin foil and some tape or a metal screening ect...
http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/unde ... age-a53389

Copy_Cat wrote:This Faraday cage effect causes Faraday cages to act as shields for strong electric fields or other electrical effects. In addition electromagnetic waves consist of oscillating electric and magnetic fields. Therefore Faraday cages effectively shield electromagnetic waves or electromagnetic radiation as long as the holes in the wire mesh are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the electromagnetic waves. For this reason Faraday cages are sometimes called Faraday shields.

The metal shell of a microwave oven also acts as a Faraday cage and traps the microwaves inside the oven.

This voice to scull myth can be confirmed or busted with a roll of tin foil and some tape or a metal screening ect...
http://paul-a-heckert.suite101.com/unde ... age-a53389

I don't know if tin foil would stop electromagnetic energy. Also, I think your overlooking what the question of this thread is: whether or not electromagnetic energy can be used to communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a target person who is far away.

***My answer throughout the thread has been no and I've explained why over and over again.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:What you say is disinformation.
It helps only the people who want to perpetuate these crimes.

Saying it's disinformation isn't criticism or alternatively some kind of evidence/reason to support the conclusion that electromagnetic energy can be used to communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a target person who is far away.

If anything, I'm an information agent

And again, Cliff, look at Justesen's article. Sharp and Grove personally communicated their research results to Justesen so we have no idea if they could use electromagnetic energy to communicate single syllable words like "one, two, three".

Life will be much less stressful when you acknowledge the truth that voice to skull doesn't exist. Take care.

Infinite_Jester wrote:I don't know if tin foil would stop electromagnetic energy. Also, I think your overlooking what the question of this thread is: whether or not electromagnetic energy can be used to communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a target person who is far away.

Tin foil will block all radio signals. Wrap your cell phone in some foil and call it, It will not ring. or you can put it in a metal pot in the kitchen with the lid on and also it wont ring.

Cover a big cardboard box with foil and try ringing the phone inside, it wont ring.

Myth busted. There is nothing inside the scull that would resonate like a radio anyway.

I shouldent be messing with this topic , just wanted to add the shielding idea to disprove.

copy-cat out