Hearing voices or electronic harassment?

i have been electronically stalked. ppl can use machines to project voices into ur ears from miles away. even radio signals to make u depressed by effecting brain waves......it happens

I find aural hallucinations mostly come not from any external sources, but from continual excitation. It is common for those who find themselves overwhelmed to race to conclusions.

If the much-over-simplified neurological basis of schizophrenia is the overcapacity to match auditory input with visual input (as opposed to autism which is an undercapacity), then you're going to get a mind racing to fill the holes created by that extra capacity.

Squirrel1 wrote:** I would advise Cliff that there are people who will cling to the fact that Frey didn't attempt to transmit voice to "prove" that voice can't be transmitted to disparage anyone who says voices are being transmitted. They do this because they are comfortable within the psychiatric forced-poisoning and denial system. They want everyone to "benefit" from this form of discreditation and assault on their health.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME on such people. They will never play any role in exposing and stopping this crime. Educate, instead, people who are open minded, and there are plenty of them.

We did a very good job here.
You have tried for 20 years to deliver the impossible proofs that the sceptics asked, because they want to FORCE people to ACCEPT their theories.
What you have done was very good, but it didn't solve our problems.
So I changed tactics.
I PERSUADE people to BELIEVE.
So you were step 1, I'm step 2, and there will be more steps needed.
The traffic to my websites has already more than doubled, while the traffic to the hearing voices websites has remainded the same.
Same story for the gang stalking websites: the number of pages about gang stalking is growing explosively, while the number of pages about hearing voices remains the same.
This means that it's just a matter of time and then if someone googles "hearing voices" then he will find websites about voice to skull.

Eleanor is a pro.
Give her access to a radar set and she will beam microwave voices in your head right away.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:You have tried for 20 years to deliver the impossible proofs that the sceptics asked, because they

Hmmm try any evidence that a technology exists that can communicate whole meaningful sentences of the English language to an individual with electromagnetic radiation.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:want to FORCE people to ACCEPT their theories.

No. You can put forward any theory you want but you need evidence.

Take care.

If God exists, and He wants that you believe in Him, then He could accomplish a miracle.
He could for example descend on a cloud in all His glory and live in a temple in Jerusalem, where you can visit Him.
Then you have no other option than to believe that He exists.
But this belief doesn't have value for God.

If God gives you signs that leave you without proof, then you could choose to believe that He exists.
This belief has value for God.

This is the problem that you are facing: the official theories leave you no other option than to believe that they are true, but this belief doesn't have any value.

If people read what EleanorW and I write, then they can choose to believe.
This belief has value.

Infinite_Jester wrote:Please take care Eleanor and Cliff. Feel free to PM if you need anything or want advice. Best wishes.

Don't send him PM.
He wants to seperate us because he can't handle both of us.

If you are a victim of gang stalking and electronic harassment, then they will typically ask from you the impossible proof.
In other cases of crimes, this is not required.
For example, if you bring your baby to the nursery, in the evening you go to take it back and you see that it's dead, then they won't ask from you to prove that it was murdered.
Instead, they will start an investigation, they might employ a large team and very advanced technology to deliver the proof that it was murdered.
In the case of stalking this is completely different.
As soon as you mention that there are multiple stalkers, they will refuse to investigate.
So they are not doing their job.

Same story for the mad scientists: they will investigate the wildest theories, but they will refuse to look at what is being written about mind control.
Typically, they will try to record the sound that is made by ants, because this immensely intruiging, but they won't investigate whether claims about voice to skull could be true.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:If you are a victim of gang stalking and electronic harassment, then they will typically ask from you the impossible proof.
In other cases of crimes, this is not required.
For example, if you bring your baby to the nursery, in the evening you go to take it back and you see that it's dead, then they won't ask from you to prove that it was murdered.
Instead, they will start an investigation, they might employ a large team and very advanced technology to deliver the proof that it was murdered.
In the case of stalking this is completely different.
As soon as you mention that there are multiple stalkers, they will refuse to investigate.
So they are not doing their job.

Same story for the mad scientists: they will investigate the wildest theories, but they will refuse to look at what is being written about mind control.
Typically, they will try to record the sound that is made by ants, because this immensely intruiging, but they won't investigate whether claims about voice to skull could be true.

I agree that gang stalking would be very difficult to substantiate however, voice to skull doesn't have to same problems. If your proposing that this technology uses electromagnetic energy to send whole meaningful sentences of the English language to a target then we can look at the available literature and research on electromagnetic energy to see if this is possible. Of course, we have and it isn't (see my discussion of the relevant articles).

To be clear there is no evidence of voice to skull technology but what about gang stalking?

Is it possible that 100s of people can work together to drive someone crazy? I'm going to say no and here's why. Organized secrecy has proven almost impossible. The Freemason's secrets rituals have published in dozens of paperbacks, all major Government conspiracies have been exposed including the Tuskgee Syphilis experiment, project "Paper clip", and the Watergate scandal (see notes at bottom for reference). It just seems to be an axiom that groups of people are bad at keeping secrets.

Case study in gang stalking: The Charles Manson Cult

Charles Manson and his followers are one of the only documented cases of gang stalking like behaviour. They broke into peoples houses, vandalized property and brutally murdered a number of people. How well did their pact of secrecy last? Not long. Susan Atkins bragged about killing a bunch of people in jail, Linda Kasabian caved under interrogation and later Tex Watson took a plea to try and avoid the death penalty.

A group of about half a dozen gang stalkers couldn't keep a secret for more than a couple months.

The problem with all conspiracy theories is they require human beings to do the impossible: keep their mouths shut. The only successful conspiracies are in film, literature and the imaginations of people.

Take care Cliff.

Some examples of how good we humans are at organized secrecy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_s ... experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_paperclip

You are not informed about organized secrecy.
It's indeed possible to organize people in such a way that they can't betray the organization and that they don't have an idea how big the organization is.
These methods are standard in espionage and counter-espionage.
What we see now, is that people who have been in the stalking system have realized that they have become a victim.
But, they don't know much about the organisation, so they can't betray it.
Now they are gathering around Freedom From Covert Harassment and Surveillance, making wild claims that no one can prove.
All that we hear about gang stalking is the result of the fact that the secrecy is not complete.
Most victims of gang stalking and electronic harassment are probably unaware victims.
Most people who outed themselves in public as victims are in fact people who want to betray the organization but they don't know enough.

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:It's indeed possible to organize people in such a way that they can't betray the organization and that they don't have an idea how big the organization is.

I don't think so. The bigger the organization the more leaks and if your going to say that these gang-stalkers are like spies you might want to recall the history of United States espionage including the Bay of Pigs (sure didn't go well), Counter Terrorism (really didn't go well) and spying during the Cold War (how many of these guys got caught?).

In fact, almost every secret project of the United States government has gone poorly. Also, there is no historical example of organized secrecy that has been successful (with the exception of the East German Secret Police because they're records were destroyed as they were ousted).

Cliff, I can't protect you from your imagination. Your going to have to start thinking over the logistics and practicalities involved in organizing 1000+ Satanic gang stalking clubs and when you do I think you'll see it falls apart.

To test some of my claims you might want to take a piece of paper and pen and just plan and organize your own gang stalking group. Write down:
(1) how you recruit each person
(2) how you keep someone in the group
(3) how you keep them from talking to anyone.
(4) how you keep anyone from knowing about what your doing
(5) what the overall goals of your organization are
(6) what your budget is and where you get your money
etcetera

I don't know about you but I can't get past (1) and (2). It's too hard. Even if I had raw cash it would be hard to get people to break the law for me. Also, (6) is pretty tough as well.

Anyways, just a thought. I still think you should be talking to someone. Take care.