Hearing voices or electronic harassment?

That's interesting. Give us more details.

I only have a bit of publicly-released info on each case. But it seems to be a fairly common phenomenom. Other examples:


4-24-98
Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded
.....As the police got to know more about Andrew's friends, they began to wonder if one of them was a 'puppet master' who may have manipulated Andrew into using the gun or at least encouraged him."
--"...Andrew had mentioned in a letter to a friend that 'the voices are coming again.' " "Andrew thinks he is real, but everyone else is unreal. Other people are programmed to act and say what the government, mad scientists, or a psycho wants them to say." [interesting juxtaposition of those last three groups!]
--Andrew told his girlfriend "We are all in reality in hospital beds being monitored and programmed by these mad scientists, and this world is not real for them. The scientists watch over us to see what we're doing." [uh oh, he wasn't supposed to remember this part!]

5-20-99
T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, Heritage High, 6 wounded--Witnesses described the shooter as initially "calm, sedate, vacant, and robotic."
--Dr. Eddy Regnier, a teacher of psychiatry at Harvard University and who was hired by defense attorneys to examine T.J. said that T.J. had suicidal thoughts and believed to hear voices giving him commands. “He heard voices telling him to do strange things, but they were robotic voices, not human voices”

3-2-05
Jason Clinard, 14, Stewart County High School, Cumberland City, TN 1 dead
He shot his school bus driver six times, killing her as she stopped to pick him up.
--the teen told staff at Middle Tennessee Mental Health Institute that he had been "hearing voices for about five years, which instructed Jason to harm others and himself"
--The boy told the psychiatrist, "it's like somebody else controlling my body."


2-24-07
St.Neots, Cambridgeshire, England
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... _id=511092
A schoolgirl accused of filming herself attempting to murder her parents claimed a voice inside her head insisted that she kill them.The 15-year-old, who videoed herself putting a noose around her mother's neck and trying to stab her father with scissors, said she never intended to hurt her parents.
She told a jury she pretended to carry out the voice's instructions in the hope it would go away for long enough for her to get psychiatric help. She described how she had asked for counselling at school when she began hearing the voice - which made derogatory remarks and said she was worthless - in Year 8.... At first, she said, she managed to make it go away but she gradually had to take more extreme measures - hitting, slapping or taking a blade to herself - to make it disappear.
When she went upstairs, the voice started to talk to her, jabbering "Do it. Do it", she said.
"It gave me an image of my mother with a noose around her neck, my father with a knife in his chest," she said. "They were dead."
-- The acts were a 'pretence' designed to placate a voice in the girl's head and get psychiatric help, Mr Malcolm told the jury.
..in addition to making the video, she also typed out on her computer her plan of how she would attack her parents as her sister looked on. It included a passage "Go in, nothing strange, set up a camera, loop mums head and pull. Dad will come to help her, I will stab."

Surely there is more. Can you give us sources for research? Something in a compiled form?

THe sources are usually snippets taken from local news stories. There is no compilation.


One of the most underreported facts about the young person mass shooter is that almost none of them has a clear or coherent motive. Far more common than 'voices' being heard, it is still evidence of mind control, as every crime has a motive, and the failure of investigators to unearth it has to be intentional.


Wayne Lo, 18, Simon's Rock College, Great Barrington, Massachusetts, 12-16-92; 2 dead, 4 wounded

-- "At the time I thought I did the right thing," he said recently. "But as I look back at it over time, more and more it doesn't make sense to me. And more and more I ask myself, Why? Why did I do it? I mean, Why?"

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Barry Loukaitus, 14, Moses Lake, WA, Frontier Jr H.S., 2-2-96, 3 dead, 1 wounded

"There are things in life we're never going to understand, and this case is one of those..."--His Attorney

"Barry never articulated a reason why he did what he did." --John Knodel, Grant County prosecutor who handled the case.


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Jillian Robbins, 19, Penn State U, State College, PA, 9-17-96, 1 dead, 1 wounded

--when she was arrested, she answered repeatedly, "I don't know." when asked why she brought school violence back to PSU.

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Luke Woodham, 16, and Grant Boyette, 19, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 10-1-97 2 dead, 7 wounded

...(I) fought with myself because I didn't want to do any of it."

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Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 12-1-97, 3 dead, 5 wounded

Carneal's home room teacher reported that Carneal did not seem to recognize what he had done."
--When ask why he did it, he said he didn't know.

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Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, 3-24-98, 5 dead

--"Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer." Johnson: "I really thought that no one would actually be hurt."

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Todd Cameron Smith, Taber,  Alberta  4-27-99  W.R. Myers HS, 1 dead, 1 wounded

In a signed police statement, the boy later said: "I have no particular reason for shooting the boys that I did. I don't know who any of them were."

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T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, 5-20-99 Heritage High, 6 wounded-

--Upon handing the gun over(a teacher had convinced T.J. not to kill himself--the barrel was in his mouth)he started crying hysterically and said repeatedly "I don't know why I did this."

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Seth Trickey, 13, Fort Gibson, OK, 12-6-99, 4 wounded

--"He said 'I don't know' when asked why he did it."

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2-14-01 Jeremy Getman, 24 arrested at Southside High School in Elmira, New York state

He admitted that he intended to shoot students and teachers and toss bombs into crowds when he brought weapons to Southside High School on Valentine's Day.
Police said they have no motive for what could have been a killing spree.

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Charles 'Andy' Williams, 15, Santana HS, March 2001, San Diego County (2 dead, 13 wounded)

Williams was interrogated by detectives for about an hour after his arrest, and while prosecutor Anton declined to detail what he said, she indicated the statements may not explain why he opened fire.

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10-9-06 Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO

A 13-year-old student walked into the east side of Memorial Middle School, shooting wth a rifle.... (boy's attorney Chuck)Lonardo said the boy's motives and intentions remain unclear even to him after sitting in on juvenile authorities' interview of the boy after the shooting. "That's just it," Lonardo said. "We still don't know.

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2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded

Salt Lake City police have finished their exhaustive investigation into the shooting rampage at Trolley Square, finding no real motive for 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic's killing spree. "I think it may have died with him," Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said in an interview Sunday with the Deseret Morning News.

Not all voices command you to cause a rampage.
I read that 1 in 6 school boys and girls are having thoughts about suicide.
I read about a study in the Netherlands that said that 1 in 6 Dutchmen are hearing voices.
(I read that 1 in 6 men is having homosexual thoughts. Do we see a connection here?)
This suggests that the large majority of voice hearers are hearing voices about suicide.
People who are hearing voices about something else are very rare.
This suggests that the voices are a harassment and not a disease.
Once I met a monk who told me that some day he heared a voice that told him to become priest.
I read also about a German judge who was hated so much by the mafia that they brainwashed him to undergo a sex change operation.
The voices have something in common: it's a major change in your life that you wouldn't have chosen under normal circumstances.
It's disturbing.
It's the essence of mind control.
Everything is mind control.
On some people it didn't work like expected.
Then it has to be reinforced with a treatment.
First they make you sick.
Then you must follow a treatment to reinforce the mind control.
Mind control is planned by shrinks.
It's reinforced with a treatment.

Some targeted individuals reported voices that urged them to go somewhere or to do certain sexual acts.

As well as implanting voices, it appears they can now invade and take over even the dreams of the intended victim:


4-20-99 Columbine massacre, Denver, CO 15 dead
A fellow student had (shooter)Eric Harris in his psychology class: "He just basicially said that he was having trouble with this recurring dream--that he woke up one morning and came into the school, and he just started shooting students and teachers as they came by, and then he said it always ended up....ended with him just blowing the school up.
--Harris: "In fact a dream I had yesterday was about a "deathmatch" level that I have never, ever been to. It was so vivid and detailed...."(26189)
--"Exhibit 4 was found to contain... various school assignments from Eric Harris. Several of these appear to be creative writing assignments and deal with violence and dream sequences similar to the shooting."

10-11-02 Myyrmanni Mall bombing, Finland 7 dead
Last week, several days before he set off a bomb that killed seven people... Petri Gerdt posted his last message, containing the shadowy details of a strange dream ''about accidents, authorities and other kinds of funny happenings.''

3-21-05 Jeff Weise, Red Lake HS, 10 dead
Web postings:
"Lately I've been having some really strange dreams, they seem very realistic and filled with colour and sounds, ....a few night's ago I had this dream where I saw this very evil, very creepy canine's face coming toward's me, and I heard someone say "shoot!," either way everything went black and I could feel my whole body jerking and shaking, and while this was happening I could hear very loud and very distinct gunshot's, mostly machine gun fire... I found it very weird and woke up immediately after feeling a little disoriented... ."


Note the recent movie "Inception," starring Leonardo DeCaprio, which is about this very subject. Fiction? Or is it based on reality?

Everything that is being "revealed" about mind control technology is already 50 years old.

When we read the patents for inventions that could be used for mind control, then we see that they can do much more than send you voices or dreams.

It's a common mistake to confront the public with all these technologies, because it's so much and so much like science fiction that people will refuse to believe it.

So I start with asking people to accept that they can beam voices into your head.
They do this:

• to manipulate the public opinion about mentally ill people, so they will ask tougher laws,
• as a punishment,
• to drive the victim to suicide,
• to get the victim institutionalized,
• to make the victim sick, so he will need a treatment to reinforce the mind control,
• to cause a rampage where the state believes that the people who are there should be used to the presence of policemen,
• to make the victim do something or abstain from doing it.

If people want to accept this, then we will see whether they are willing to accept more.

gwilly wrote:That's interesting. Give us more details.

OK, here are the details:

www.hearingvoices-is-voicetoskull.com

See also:
www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic83015.html

my two pence worth,

I know i hear voices and the voices are real, in particular Wolf is real, it has been both witnessed by those close to me. they have heard me talking back (be rude not to) they have also seen me go into a "day dream" like state before Wolf comes forward and does his bit, whether that has been for 3 mins, 3 hours or the longest is 3 days. This is my condition which i have learnt to accept and for the most part manage to conceal from most of the world for the most of it.

Do i think i am being harrased electronically? no, However.....

Yes it has been proven time and time again that sound waves can pass through the bones in the head directly into the brain, a prime example of this is beethoven who was deaf as a post, he would bite down onto the piano and listen to the music he was writing that way.

lets strip this back a step further, all you need to do this at home is a set a tweezers and something solid, hit the tweezers and place them either on your jaw near to your ear or on your skull and if your quick enough AND you have hit them hard enough you should hear a tone.

progress from here, the human ears can hear a set range of frequencies (forgive me if thats spelt wrong) and the brain can only decipher only a few MHz higher than that.

so lets take an individual and place them under electronic harassment,

question, How do you focus it on one person without the rest of a crown hearing it? how much power would be needed to create such a "focused" wave of sound onto that said person.

I am not trying to say that this sort of things is not possible, far from it. I would just like to have some of the variables removed to make it a more valid argument if that makes sense?

Thanks

Dave
A.k.a Wolf

I know that my voices are real, when they were really loud I taped them and the recording says the same thing everytime it's played so I know that it's not something my brain is making up. However, I can't see how it could be electronic harrassment either. I can have actual conversations with my voices (not that I do as giving them attention makes them louder) so that would mean that if someone physical was harrassing me they would have to be able to read my thoughts at a distance and I just don't see how that could be technologically possible. Also, people have been the victims of such auditory harrassment long before electronic devices made it possible for us to do this to each other.

I'm 'schizophrenic' and have also experienced visual hallucinations, tactile hallucinations, delusions, social isolation, apathy, paranoia, etc. I believe the voices (before I could consciously hear them) were behind the social isolation and paranoia by repeating certain phrases on loop, I heard some of these when I first started to be able to hear the voices. The delusions were also ideas fed to me that seemed perfectly logical from what I was experiencing at the time, but were of course nonsense. But what about the tactile and visual hallucinations? Is there really technology available that can manipulate your brain so completely? Such 'psychosis' can also be present in bipolar disorder, does that also mean that the severe depression and euphoria experienced are also electronically induced? What about drug users who only experience voices/hallucinations when high?