Hearing voices or electronic harassment?

gwilly wrote:

An electronics engineer has succeeded in recording the voices that someone heared. If these voices originated in the brain, then it shouldn't have been possible to record them, so they must be electronic.

So I guess that if this is true then it must be true in all cases. Right.

It's probablay true in all cases, because there's no other scientific explanation.

gwilly wrote:Honestly, if you are so concerned about this, then work on a device to intercept the signal. Even if there is truth to this, it doesn't matter whether anyone considers it or not if they cannot prove that it is happening in a given case.

It has to be considered even if it can't be proven because the government has a long history of covert non-consensual experimentation and torture. This has been admitted by the government. Nothing says that these secret programs have stopped. The laws have not been adapted. They didn't create any institution where you can complain about that sort of experimentation. This means that it will just go on.

gwilly wrote:Also it doesn't seem like it is up to psychiatry to deal with the problem since it is not psychiatric to begin with, according to you.

It's indeed not psychiatric. It's criminal. But shrinks write reports about suspects of crimes, so it matters to them. It should matter to them that they write a report that contains a truth.

How many times have we heard that a woman kills her children because a "voice" commanded her to do that?

Recently a Belgian woman cut the throat of her 5 children because a "voice" commanded her to do that. The evening before, she contacted her shrink. She followed a long treatment for hearing voices. She told the shrink that she was desperate because of what the voices told her. She asked him to send her to the bedlam. He didn't want to hear her. The next day she killed her 5 children. Then she got a trial. The fact that she heared voices was completely removed from the trial. She never heared voices. She just killed her 5 children for no reason. That's the official verdict.

Well, I call that a travesty of justice. It's clearly electronic harassment. What happened? The woman was married to a North African. They lived in the same house as their doctor from whom they rented the apartment. Then the doctor fell in love with the North African. Now they have got rid of his wife and they will live long and happily. Well, it would have been better if she never had children. That's what I always say: stop making babies as long as this matter has not been dealt with.

I read these stories many times in the last 20 years. It's just sick and no one wants to do something about it.

Couldn't you have put all of that in one post?

Anyway.

Auditory hallucination is not new. It's been around probably since people have been around. Electronics on the other hand, are relatively new in comparison to how long humans have been around, let alone any modern government.

Secondly, if it is so easy to make the devices to do this that - as you say - anyone who is good at electronics can do it, how can the government keep such a tight lid on it? Nothing is that secret, especially if it is as simple as you claim. It would seem like some electronics experts would know about it, or at least some physicists. As a matter of fact, if the government is so good at keeping it a secret, how is it that you know about it, let alone found it on a website on the public internet?

As far as no scientific explanation... that means nothing, other than it hasn't been explained (yet!) Also, what is the scientific explanation for your self awareness? If you can't explain it scientifically then you must not be self aware, according to your theories.

Also, what is the point? If this technology does exist, it could be put to far better and more sinister use than what they are apparently doing with it. Also, the majority of people who have auditory hallucinations do not turn out to be criminals, and usually not even very consequential. What you don't read about probably matters more than the few cases which get in the news, you are looking at a few out of millions.

gwilly wrote: If this technology does exist

Of course it exists. The microwave auditory effect was demonstrated by civilian scientists 35 years ago. (35 years ago!) And it was known to the US military in World War II - more than 60 years ago!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

gwilly wrote:Also, what is the point?

The technology isn't generally available to the civilian population, so you have to assume this type of harassment is coming from military/intelligence sources. And once you bring the federal government into the mix, the answer to the question, "Why would they expend this kind of effort on someone?" is "Why not - it's only your money."

Have you checked out the national debt lately? Have you checked out Washington Post's Top Secret America web site where it is revealed that 850,000+ military contractors, government employees, and other Americans have Top Secret clearances? Do you realize that suppressing dissent is the single most important function of a state, to be pursued at any cost?

“[It's] vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent… the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

- Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister in Nazi Germany

In the Soviet Union or China, dissidents could simply be declared mentally ill without all that troublesome evidence-gathering or interviewing, and sent off to medical prisons. It's called political psychiatry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/political_psychiatry ). In allegedly open societies in the West, we define what the symptoms of mental illness are, then we harass dissidents and whistleblowers into reporting those symptoms to police or mental health specialists. Same end result. It just takes a little longer.

If you're an American... you've been had, buddy. Time to start paying attention to what your government is doing.

jeremystalked wrote:

gwilly wrote: If this technology does exist

Of course it exists. The microwave auditory effect was demonstrated by civilian scientists 35 years ago. (35 years ago!) And it was known to the US military in World War II - more than 60 years ago!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

gwilly wrote:Also, what is the point?

The technology isn't generally available to the civilian population, so you have to assume this type of harassment is coming from military/intelligence sources. And once you bring the federal government into the mix, the answer to the question, "Why would they expend this kind of effort on someone?" is "Why not - it's only your money."

Have you checked out the national debt lately? Have you checked out Washington Post's Top Secret America web site where it is revealed that 850,000+ military contractors, government employees, and other Americans have Top Secret clearances? Do you realize that suppressing dissent is the single most important function of a state, to be pursued at any cost?

“[It's] vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent… the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

- Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister in Nazi Germany

In the Soviet Union or China, dissidents could simply be declared mentally ill without all that troublesome evidence-gathering or interviewing, and sent off to medical prisons. It's called political psychiatry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/political_psychiatry ). In allegedly open societies in the West, we define what the symptoms of mental illness are, then we harass dissidents and whistleblowers into reporting those symptoms to police or mental health specialists. Same end result. It just takes a little longer.

If you're an American... you've been had, buddy. Time to start paying attention to what your government is doing.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, that's why I was testing him, but frankly I am losing my patience fast.

I think he and you don't give a damn about people, you just think you know something and you want people to know how right you think you are (when you are probably not).

Maybe this thing is real. I don't know. What I do know is that I have experienced voices and auditory hallucinations and I've had none of this stuff you people are talking about. In fact most people do not. Auditory hallucinations are actually very common, in fact most people probably have had them and just forget or don't know it because it is intermittent and minor. The fact that the OP doesn't seem to acknowledge this tells me they are ignorant of the facts and misreading things and thinking they know something.

Also since you and he are so insistent and not even willing to consider that you might have a few things wrong, and also exhibiting blatant ignorance of how things actually are outside of the news and trumped up anecdotes, tells me that you don't actually care, you just want to be contrary and seen as somebody who 'knows'.

Get over yourselves and get educated (for real educated) and then people might listen to you... but more likely if you did that you'd just drop this thing all together since you'd realize how ignorant it is.

gwilly wrote:Couldn't you have put all of that in one post?

I find it too difficult.

gwilly wrote:What you don't read about probably matters more than the few cases which get in the news, you are looking at a few out of millions.

Compare this to our situation: targeted individuals are the few cases that get on the internet. The real number of victims is probably much higher, but they don't realize it yet.

gwilly wrote:I think he and you don't give a damn about people, you just think you know something and you want people to know how right you think you are (when you are probably not).

I don't give a damn about the people who have become part of the harassment system. They are expendable. They have probably been lured into some sort of fake masonry. This means that they have literally been declared dead in an initiation rite. I don't give a damn about people who brag about being dead.

We don't do this because we want to show that we are right. We do this because we have to defend ourselves and to warn other people who are not in the System yet.

gwilly wrote:Maybe this thing is real. I don't know. What I do know is that I have experienced voices and auditory hallucinations and I've had none of this stuff you people are talking about.

The harassment system becomes more aggressive if you resist it. If they broadcast "voices" to you and the result is that you accept that there's something wrong with you, then they have won. If you resist it then they will harass you more. So targeted individuals who hear voices and say that it's electronic harassment will experience more stalking and harassment.