Hearing voices or electronic harassment?

gwilly wrote:Get over yourselves and get educated

Here's something to educate you:

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/ ... viewfull=1

Here I describe that I suddenly started to hear a voice. The voice disappeared after 10 weeks on the moment that I clicked the Search button when I wanted to search "hearing voices" on google.

This means that I was harassed with electronic harassment. On the moment that I clicked that button the perps intercepted this command, realized that the volume of the broadcast was too high, so that it became audible, so they turned the volume down. That's the only explanation that I have for the voice that I heared. When you have such an experience, then it becomes very difficult to convince you that it's a disease.

How could such a serious disease as auditory hallucination disappear by clicking the google search button?

Cliff Huylebroeck wrote:

gwilly wrote:Maybe this thing is real. I don't know. What I do know is that I have experienced voices and auditory hallucinations and I've had none of this stuff you people are talking about.

The harassment system becomes more aggressive if you resist it. If they broadcast "voices" to you and the result is that you accept that there's something wrong with you, then they have won. If you resist it then they will harass you more. So targeted individuals who hear voices and say that it's electronic harassment will experience more stalking and harassment.

Well, ok, but that still doesn't explain why you disregard legitimate hallucinations which do exist. Do you actually understand how voices work?

Are you talking about auditory hallucination, or 'mental voices'? because there is a huge difference. Most auditory hallucinations don't tell you to kill people, and they are at times indistinguishable from hearing normal sounds that come from an outside source.

My most common ones are just hearing someone say my name or only a few words, it is intermittent and not pervasive, and usually happens when I'm tired. It is usually someone's voice that I have heard before, it most often seems to be my dad. This is not severely abnormal.

So I don't get what you are talking about, can you explain what kind of 'voices' you are referring to? The reason it is often considered either a delusion or a fake is because it often is. Some people with legitimate mental illness also talk about voices in their head, but these can be different than auditory hallucinations. Not all cases are the same. Please do the research and understand what you are reading, the voices can be considered a delusion (which is a legitimate symptom which you seem to be misconstruing) and they are considered that when they don't align with what is known about real auditory hallucinations (where people are actually perceiving that they hear sound as if it has entered through their ears)

So yes. Auditory hallucinations do happen, and I don't think they can all be explained away by electronic harassment, even if some are electronic harassment. I just want you to recognize that and understand.

It is astounding the number of people who have gone on homicidal rampages for no known reason, and without any prior history of mental illness, claim they committed the acts because voices in their heads were telling them to do so.
A good example:

5-22-98
Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded
pg30 "The Shooting Game, The Making of School Shooters" by Joseph Lieberman, Seven Locks Press, 2006
As to why he went on his rampage, Kip proclaimed, "my head kept telling me I had no other choice.... ."

pg143 "The Shooting Game"
When (Detective)Bolsted asked Kip, "Where do you think the voices came from?" Kip replied, "Well, I had some theories. Maybe it was from the devil... the government might have put a chip in my head. Government satellites might have transmitted to the chip.... At first I thought the voices were outside of my head because they were so very loud, like surround sound." Kip also claimed he believed one satellite gave voices to the microchip and another followed his every movement.

pg151 "The Shooting Game"
Kip told Lewis he couldn't remember driving to school and he battled the voices even as he entered the hallway at Thurston. "I talked to the voices. I said "I don't want to do this." "

pg154 "The Shooting Game"
The voices than cut a deal with Kip's suicidal aspirations. He could be free of them at last if he committed certain homicidal acts. Kip reported that after hearing the voices say hundreds of times, "You have to go to school! Kill everybody!" he begged them to "Promise me you'll let me kill myself after..." The voices assured him that he could do so......

starviego wrote:It is astounding the number of people who have gone on homicidal rampages for no known reason, and without any prior history of mental illness, claim they committed the acts because voices in their heads were telling them to do so.
A good example:

5-22-98
Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded
pg30 "The Shooting Game, The Making of School Shooters" by Joseph Lieberman, Seven Locks Press, 2006
As to why he went on his rampage, Kip proclaimed, "my head kept telling me I had no other choice.... ."

pg143 "The Shooting Game"
When (Detective)Bolsted asked Kip, "Where do you think the voices came from?" Kip replied, "Well, I had some theories. Maybe it was from the devil... the government might have put a chip in my head. Government satellites might have transmitted to the chip.... At first I thought the voices were outside of my head because they were so very loud, like surround sound." Kip also claimed he believed one satellite gave voices to the microchip and another followed his every movement.

pg151 "The Shooting Game"
Kip told Lewis he couldn't remember driving to school and he battled the voices even as he entered the hallway at Thurston. "I talked to the voices. I said "I don't want to do this." "

pg154 "The Shooting Game"
The voices than cut a deal with Kip's suicidal aspirations. He could be free of them at last if he committed certain homicidal acts. Kip reported that after hearing the voices say hundreds of times, "You have to go to school! Kill everybody!" he begged them to "Promise me you'll let me kill myself after..." The voices assured him that he could do so......

Astounding in comparison to what?

Compared to general crimes? Criminals who don't claim to hear voices highly outnumber ones who do. So, wouldn't that be rather an astounding number of criminals who don't claim to hear voices?

Or, compared to people who have heard voices. People who have heard voices and not done anything of consequence vastly outnumber those who hear voices and kill people. So wouldn't it rather be astounding how many people hear a voice and don't kill anyone?

Did you know that not all voices are bad ones? Did you know that some people actually like their voices?

Isn't it astounding, that out of what is approaching 7 billion people on this planet, the fraction of people who commit serious crimes and say that their voices told them to do it is comparatively tiny?

gwilly wrote:So I don't get what you are talking about, can you explain what kind of 'voices' you are referring to?

Here's a typical example of electronic harassment. An aggressive voice says "KILL YOUR CHILDREN", as loud as normal spoken language, or a bit quieter or louder. This is repeated with the same intonation exactly every 5 seconds, as soon as you wake up, everywhere you go and whatever you do, until you fall asleep. If you are awake during 16 hours a day, then you hear this message 11,520 times a day. I heared a message during 10 weeks = 806,400 times. The messages are always sinister. There are no innocent messages like "FEED THE DOG" or "LET'S GO OUTSIDE" or "IT RAINS IN MY HEART". Some people are hearing the same message since dozens of years until they are dead. So if you start hearing "SHOOT THE QUEEN" at the age of 26 and you hear it until you are 76, then you heared this message 210,240,000 times.

Now look at the example of the woman who killed her 5 children. Suppose that she hears always "KILL YOUR CHILDREN". That's agonizing. She knows that if she kills her children, but she still hears "KILL YOUR CHILDREN", then this message becomes pointless. Then she will be relieved. Thus she kills her children. Then a harassment with another message can start, but at least she's freed from the "KILL YOUR CHILDREN" message.

Now look at the example of Kim De Gelder who killed 2 women and 2 children and wounded many others. Suppose that he hears always that he has to go to that specific place and kill them. If he does it then the message is pointless, so he frees himself from the message.

They kill because they want to be relieved from the message. Then a harassment with another message can start, so they will do it again.

Now try to imagine that they broadcast to someone that he has to kill YOU. Then he can choose: he listens 210 million times to that message, or he kills YOU.

We saw many cases: Timothy McVeigh, Kim De Gelder, Tim Kretschmer (the shooter from Winnenden in Germany). David Koresh heared voices too.

My voice disappeared when I clicked the search button when I wanted to search "hearing voices". Now suppose that Kim De Gelder had the same idea. He wanted to search "hearing voices" and when he clicked the search button the voice disappeared. He would have found "electronic harassment". Then he wouldn't have committed those crimes.

starviego wrote:Government satellites might have transmitted to the chip

On http://www.afafa.org they wrote this:

www.afafa.org wrote:The heart of it is a system that is much like a modern cell phone network, only this one is both quite invisible (i.e. no external components) and can both surveill and manipulate the brain with great sophistication and convenience and transmit neural information to other brains invisibly and unavoidably from coast to coast and beyond.

That's the most plausible alternative for the satellite theory. No chips, no satellites, and it looks like something that we know.

There are only 2 proven cases of implants: Robert Naeslund and Brian Wronge. They can do it without implants and without satellites.

gwilly wrote:Isn't it astounding, that out of what is approaching 7 billion people on this planet, the fraction of people who commit serious crimes and say that their voices told them to do it is comparatively tiny?

There are only a very small number of people who are tortured, but that doesn't make it better for them. Everything points into the direction that the harassment project is just in its testing phase. When the harassers believe that their technology is foolproof, and that they have 100% control over the human mind, then they will use it on world scale. Then people won't be able to fight back, because their mind will be controlled. And they will like it, because they will be radiated to like it.

Ok.

It doesn't seem like this will work for long if you keep talking about it publicly, though.

They don't have to stop just because you do a search. They obviously already have the power to toy with you and any way to beat them, especially if it is that easy, would more than likely turn into a trap.

If they can put voices in your head and they know when you press a search button, it won't be long before they rig the button to do something even worse. And you'd be helping them do it.

Also, try game theory. You can be guaranteed that they will be running simulations to predict likely courses of action done by people.

I wouldn't be surprised if all of this is exactly what they want you to do. And I'd be even less surprised if you were one of them and were using search engines to gather results on your experiment, or even to tag people and keep tabs on them.

No question this technology is being used to effect political changes:

10-10-03
Mijailo Mijailovic, 25, stabbed to death Sweden's foreign minister, Anna Lindh.
"He said he could not ignore voices in his head telling him to attack."

Though many ordinary people are being attacked, too:

12-1-07
Christopher Erin Rogers, 28, Anchorage, AK 2 dead, 3 wounded
He said he heard voices in his head, voices that got more insistent over years and especially in the three months before he killed his father and maimed his father's fiancee in Palmer
Did he want to kill people?
"I didn't want to, like I said, I felt like I had to. I didn't want to do any of that s--t," he said, his voice brittle. "But I did."

5-3-99
Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California, Steven Allen Abrams, 39 Killed two toddlers and seriously injured several more when he drove his car at high speed onto the school playground.
--A man accused of intentionally plowing his car into a Costa Mesa preschool playground conceived the attack years in advance, hoping that killing "innocent" children would halt the voices he claims the government was beaming into his brain...
--Abrams began to believe that "somebody had brain wave technology that could control somebody's thoughts and behavior..."
--He believed government agencies had devised machines ..that "may even insert thoughts of killing"
--psychiatric records portray Abrams as a man haunted by delusions that the CIA or some other government agency("an unknown government agency") wanted him to become a killer.
--"They're going to kill me, the brain wave people. They're assassins,"
"No matter what happens at the trial, I'll have to deal with them in the end."