If society is a toxin

If society is a toxin, are we not poisoned?
If it is a fire, do the burns it causes not exist?
If an intangible thing wounds you, is the pain you feel only an illusion?

Is an established effect made less substantial by having a questionable cause? If you have a bleeding wound, isn't it still a bleeding wound regardless of what created it?

The Indian sage Jiddu Krishnamurti stated,

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society".

Author Eric Fromm also noted:

"The sick individual finds himself at home with all other similarly sick individuals. The whole culture is geared to this kind of pathology. The result is that the average individual does not experience the separateness and isolation the fully schizophrenic person feels. He feels at ease among those who suffer from the same deformation; in fact, it is the fully sane person who feels isolated in the insane society — and he may suffer so much from the incapacity to communicate that it is he who may become psychotic." (Eric Fromm, The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness)

And Michael Tsarion, a brilliant alternative researcher on the Occult and Mass Media Mind Control, quoting R.D. Lang in his "Age of Manipulation" lecture, states:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjquqioRmZE
"Insanity is a perfectly natural adjustment to a totally unnatural and negative environment." (R.D. Lang)

These quotes are so true. Our society never looks at itself. Instead, it looks for victims to target and scapegoat.

Society is a conglomeration of things people do. 'it' does nothing. People do things.

Scapegoating society is still scapegoating. You are putting the blame on the faceless everyman, except that the everyman does in fact have a face. Make sure that face is not your own.

gwilly wrote:Society is a conglomeration of things people do. 'it' does nothing. People do things.

Scapegoating society is still scapegoating. You are putting the blame on the faceless everyman, except that the everyman does in fact have a face. Make sure that face is not your own.

Whatever you want to call it, society is sick and insane and scapegoats individuals. That is the truth.

There are mind controllers at the top of the pyramid too. FDR even stated once that "World events do not happen by accident. They are orchestrated."

Reagan's Senior Education Advisor also blew the whistle and revealed that there was a plot to dumb down America.

The insanity in society seems to be engineered and planned, the deeper you look into it.

Look at these stats and you will see that America has the highest rates of loneliness in the world, highest rates of mental illness, and highest prison population:

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WWu777 wrote:Whatever you want to call it, society is sick and insane and scapegoats individuals. That is the truth.

Probably. But it is still a result of what people do.

There are mind controllers at the top of the pyramid too. FDR even stated once that "World events do not happen by accident. They are orchestrated."

Reagan's Senior Education Advisor also blew the whistle and revealed that there was a plot to dumb down America.

The insanity in society seems to be engineered and planned, the deeper you look into it.

Look at these stats and you will see that America has the highest rates of loneliness in the world, highest rates of mental illness, and highest prison population

This may be true but it is still done by people. You are only shifting causality up the chain. In a different world you could have been one of these plotters or politicians and you could have been the one dumbing people down and causing insanity. You have the same biology, so don't think that you are so different, because you can never truly know what you yourself have caused.

Hi, mrc109 checking in on this one. I just submitted a FLMA based "leave of absence" form (unpaid) at work, because I am pretty sure that I am coming un-glued on the inside. I thik there are many environmental variables are at play in this situation (which serves as the tie-in to the original posting about society being toxic to an individuals mental health).

I am not sure if my meds are no longer working for the Asperger's, ADHD, and OCPD, or if what has always been "stuffable" before, refuses to be sublimated any longer (or repressed for that matter either). I do not know if I have the so called "cave-man gene" or not (probably not). Whatever it is, I know that I am out of control, because I cannot self-will myself back into "line" anymore.

After reading Sigmund Freuds little book called "Society and it's Discontents", I for a brief moment could understand what he was saying (but it was not about me, or my behavior!). Perhaps the greatest gift that little book has given to me, was the gift of a new vocabulary. I now had a way through which to express and communicate my previous feelings of doubts, and insecurities, all mixed with frustration over my ineffable thoughts. I knew that I felt "something" but what?

Why I seemed to be drawn to certain actions and behaviors, "instinctual needs and responses to stimuli" sorts of things (like involuntairily sizing up the size of a womans chest, or my pleasureable response to a certain hair color).


I suffer from "terminal guilt" syndrome (left brain thinking). I do not know (in a few cases) why certain things are "bad" or considered bad by a society, and yet still make perfect reproductive sense (to an animal).

Sigmund Freud seems to tell it all, and more so. His fascinating insights into the often conflicting and controversial "nature versus nurture" world of human societies, and how they (we) must construct "prohibitions" around us, in order to prevent the animal that is in each of us, from literally
tearing each other apart.

Before I read this book, I (for the life of me!) could not understand how or why any governmental body (anywhere in the world) would allow its citizens to have access to, be appeased by, (titillated?) by the types of motion-picture industry film content that is easily and readily available today?

It is my belief that in many ways Dr. Freuds insights have been very helpful to me, and my understanding of the human animal. Dr. Freud gives a most excellent insight into why this activity must be "tolerated" and in some sense even socialized, in order to "curb" the probabablistic "natural" consequences that would soon follow if it were not (prohibition?).

I have a Borders gift card that I need to use up. Dr. Freuds next controversial paper I think was called "Totem and the Taboo" (or something like that). I feel that a whole new insight is soon about to dawn upon my soul.

I wish to thank all the one of you who might read this.

mrc109

Yes, I also use the soil as a metphor for the dis-ease many of us feel. I personally am very interested in Permaculture which is a way of relating to the soil and nature which is working with it rather than against it. Whereas agriculture and its monoculture have tended to cause the leeching out all the richness of the soil and therefore causing diseases of plants which THEN require their quick-fix pesticides as 'cures' for the diseases they caused in the first place! But these pesticides and chemical 'fertilizers' etc do not really work and what happenes is the using of them further impoverishes the soil, air, and the web of life itself

As well as this--the corporations and banks who make money out of this business go to places on earth where people have worked close with the land since the beginning, and they push to the farmers that they 'need' all they are selling, pesticides. fertilizers etc etc but in order for them to acquire all of these 'needed' things to 'improve their crops' they need to borrow money from the western banks. So they are straightaway in debt!

Now real life and weather is unpredictable, and when the weather fails this means that the farmers now cannot pay back to the banks what the debts and they become more and more impoverished and so does the land.

So in that pattern there the very same corps want to control our minds. Thier imposed 'reality' or 'productivity and consumerism which is mechanistic creates the very dis-eases it then claims are 'biological disease' which only their 'cures' can help, and yet the more and more we DEPEND on their wares the more in-deby and impoverished we become, physically and soulfully. The ROOTS of this dis-ease are not ever looked at, and are taboo.

I'm not sure what are you trying to get at.
Perhaps this is just your way of process your own thoughts.
Reading what you said reminded me of an old quote.
Many sit in a circle and suppose, the answer sits in the center and knows.
Wishing you the best in your exploration,
One

Consider this...

The most common delusions consist of some irrational fear that the government is watching you in some way.

If you took away the government, would these delusions still occur?

It's not society that harms us, it is the pressures of society. We are pressured to grow up at a certain time, get good grades in school, go to college, get a good paying job, work really hard, get a good house, support a family, maintain a social life, clean the house, do the laundry...the list goes on. And if you don't do it right, society isn't gonna appreciate you!

I recently gave up 3 years of college because I finally discovered my dream to become a professional singer. You wouldn't believe how much crap I got from people about "wasting" the money I spent on school. I had basically been forced by society to "go to college" so I could "get a good paying job". But I tell these people that happiness is more important to me than money. Besides, when I make it big, I'm gonna have more money than I ever would have if I stuck with my major.

Society like to exclude you if you are mentally ill. You need to be in a hospital. Well, ok if you are violent and a seious threat to people, yeah. But not everyone in mental hospitals should be there. One of my best friends was in the hospital for about 3 weeks because she thought she heard gunshots in her house. That's it. She didn't hurt anyone or even act in a violent manner. But they drugged her up like she was out to murder someone! I wanted to beat up the doctor that gave her all those nasty drugs...good thing I wasn't tempermental at the time.


Power to the people who do not want to conform to society! Hail to ya!

Yeah. I was basically saying that a problem is a problem regardless of what causes it.

Like if there is a chemical spill which causes cancer, people will still have cancer. Just because it was an unnatural cause doesn't make it not cancer.

If you don't get what I'm talking about, don't worry. Those who are meant to get it, will.