a crazy idea ????but is it

if say you suffered a life time of mental illness//// an you became med resistant at say 65, an haveing no life at// all sort of dead but alive/// now this could be a touchy subject ,an i dont want you saying i was addiccted to this or my friend died//im not talking young fit people , im talking dead on legs past med help people//// ok heroin, pure stuff administed by gp or hospital //addiction not a problem your already near on dead//if you need more then let you have more //// it kills all pain as it blocks the pain recepters in the brain/// you could live out the rest of your life in some other planet // so what you feel better an thats what your last days are about// take cancer if your dieing you get morphine same thing really ,,easeing the pain//if your craveing,s get bad let them give you more //so there is no street drugs used/// if on meds if you get worse you go up on the meds//dont give me a hard time on this//an read it as it is //its nothing to do with being smackhead an robbing old people for a fix //its for relief in your last few years//you may say they may bring out a new wonder med a few months on ??????,yes an then again they may not

manic666 wrote:if say you suffered a life time of mental illness//// an you became med resistant at say 65, an haveing no life at// all sort of dead but alive/// now this could be a touchy subject ,an i dont want you saying i was addiccted to this or my friend died//im not talking young fit people , im talking dead on legs past med help people//// ok heroin, pure stuff administed by gp or hospital //addiction not a problem your already near on dead//if you need more then let you have more //// it kills all pain as it blocks the pain recepters in the brain/// you could live out the rest of your life in some other planet // so what you feel better an thats what your last days are about// take cancer if your dieing you get morphine same thing really ,,easeing the pain//if your craveing,s get bad let them give you more //so there is no street drugs used/// if on meds if you get worse you go up on the meds//dont give me a hard time on this//an read it as it is //its nothing to do with being smackhead an robbing old people for a fix //its for relief in your last few years//you may say they may bring out a new wonder med a few months on ??????,yes an then again they may not

I am very sad that no one entered into this debate, as i thought it would bring some comments we could chew over

I get it.
If they are suffering, there really isn't much hope, Why let there lives be in pain and sadness.It's cruel to do that to them when you technacally can help them. Yeah they'll be a little loopy, make that a lot, but they'll be happy. I think that very important. I would rather have a loved one high and happy then watch them in pain and sadness. And it sure is a lot better then them deciding to go into the streets, into dangerous situations.
You make a great point
-mikaela

Not sure if you've been around a dying person. Having grown up the son of a Fire Fighter I've seen everything from people cut in half by seatbelts, kids bodies left sitting on tri-cycles decapitated, to having to remove part of a house wall to remove an obese women from her bathtub. Onto what you're attempting to discuss.

My grandmother [mother's side] died of stomache cancer. The morphine, and pain pills she was taking caused her to be completely incoherent. Her last days with us were spent mumbling and apparently disconnected from reality.

My grandfather [dad's side] died of lung and liver cancer. The drips of pain killers fed intravenously into his body left him in just as a bad a shape. Also compeletly incoherent and disconnected from reality.

Things went a little differently when my other grandfather [mother's side] passed away. He survived 4 heart attacks. A round of lung cancer, only to contract a brain tumor. It was from my grandfather at a young age I came to appreciate truly what the human body can endure and survive. Anyways. Doctors wanted to keep in him the ward when he was terminal, doped up and drugged to ease his pain. After having watched his wife die in a most undignified way, he pleaded with my mother to sign him out of the hospital and take him home. My youngest brother lost his bedroom, but it was for a good cause. The length of time he lived with us, I don't really recall, that was 18 years ago. Nevertheless, he only took pain medications when it was unbearable. And eventually, I believe he just stopped taking them all together, because they weren't doing anything to stop the pain. The quanitity with which he would have had to partake would have left him like the other family members a vegetable. Which isn't at all what he wanted. He was fully coherent upto the day he died, when the tumor pressed into the center of his brain that controlled breathing. He asphyixated while I was at school.

All the relatives I know that have passed away, did so at home with loved ones. I think that's far more important, so did they, and since they were the onces that were dying, and wanted to be at home that should be a testament to them feeling the same way.

Over the years I spent time volunteering in cancer wards. It was shorlived. I couldn't stand to be around the suffering. Anyways, if you look into the pain medications that these terminal patients are given they are mostly schedule I drugs. Most street drugs are not strong enough to do anything, and in the levels they would be needed to, they would cause overdoses. Cocaine for instance is a Schedule II, Marijuana is Schedule VI. Outlined in your original preponderance.

Some people when it's there time, are happy to go. Other's come into the words screaming, and go out the same way. Some countries allow doctor assisted suicide. Other's don't. Some people believe a cure is forthcoming, and decide to try cryogenics. I think this is along the same lines of AIDS medicinal programs. I've know some kids who've had it from birth. It's just a process that unfolds. The pills are what shut down their liver, but in the same time give them a stretch of life they wouldn't have had otherwise. Eventually, tolerance and resistance builds and the drugs become useless. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life when we choose to be irresponsible with what we're given. Not so much the crack, fetal-alcohol, or the HIV/AIDS babies, as they had no choice. This is a debate on ethics. It's a process that is as unique to the invidiual in relation their needs as the plethora of options or choices that may or may not be available to them.

I would push more for the quality of life factor. And that anything that has the ability to improve the quality of life of the person who is suffering, I believe it should be a choice for them to partake. Quality of life then becomes a heavy debate as waying to detriment caused for the benefit. Again, these are all more or less personal choices. What are we willing to lose, in order to gain. There is nothing free in this life, everything has a consequence.

What I do not support is the alcoholic who destroyed their liver and getting a replacement that should have gone to the non-alcoholic who also needed it. No one said life was fair. All I know, is I do not have what it takes to make the decisions that are needed to make these choices. All I have is the reflections. I'm just not that strong of a person. I have too much empathy, which results in forever debating the thing I am trying to resolve. I am man of indecision.

you missed the hole point// i can tell you all my sisters had cancer my mom died of cancer//an the morphine drip ran like a tap in her cafita,,the tread is nothing to do with massive doses of morfine or heroin//its about just giveing a life to an already dead inside person

manic666 wrote:you missed the hole point

That happens with me a lot. I'm sorry... I'm still not sure I follow? Are you attempting to raise this process is wrong? it's right? What choice would we make? Should the choice be given? Should it be imposed? Is it wrong to sustain life this way?

Please don't take this the wrong way, this is my inability clearly to ascertain what you were trying to achieve. I'm asking for clarification. Be well.

What I want to know is, why do people some times revile against the use of drugs as if they are some form of wrongful escapism or like a mortal sin or something. I believe some people don't think, they just parrot what they have learned from elsewhere.

It's sad when people who are in unbelievable amounts of pain have to worry about other people's impression of them if they decide to rely on medication in a controlled setting. Nobody should be the 'addiction' sheriff especially when it is none of their damn business in the first place, and nobody should have to worry about what somebody else will think when they are taking care of their own illness.

And then some people are just on a horse so tall they'd need a frigging ladder to come down....

End rant.

gwilly wrote:What I want to know is, why do people some times revile against the use of drugs as if they are some form of wrongful escapism or like a mortal sin or something. I believe some people don't think, they just parrot what they have learned from elsewhere.

It's sad when people who are in unbelievable amounts of pain have to worry about other people's impression of them if they decide to rely on medication in a controlled setting. Nobody should be the 'addiction' sheriff especially when it is none of their damn business in the first place, and nobody should have to worry about what somebody else will think when they are taking care of their own illness.

And then some people are just on a horse so tall they'd need a frigging ladder to come down....

End rant.

cool rant sort of stirred you up a bit

Vandel wrote:

manic666 wrote:you missed the hole point

That happens with me a lot. I'm sorry... I'm still not sure I follow? Are you attempting to raise this process is wrong? it's right? What choice would we make? Should the choice be given? Should it be imposed? Is it wrong to sustain life this way?

Please don't take this the wrong way, this is my inability clearly to ascertain what you were trying to achieve. I'm asking for clarification. Be well.

its ok, read mikaela answer she got it spot on.//ita about liveing your last maybe 10 years in drugged happiness legally// an helped by your doc an not the street , like takeing your meds, but pure but illegal ones

I really, really hope that I don't come off as offensive, but it's been incredibly hard for me to follow what the OP has been saying...at all. Are you speaking english?

Going from what others have been posting, I agree that it's no one's business if a person who is terminally ill and in excruciating pain decides to use medicine to manage their illness. Yes, some meds like morphine and such can cause addiction...but what does it matter if it's HELPING someone? Plenty of psychiatric medicines are addictive and we still take them because they will help, and doctor's are prepared to help us off of them if the need arises...