Doctors are Power Vampyres.

Chucky wrote:killuminati, this being the anti-psych forum, one can understand your views, but everyone's opinion is based on theor own personal experiences. Butterly Faerie has had good doctors/psychiatrist, which is why she stands up for them. You might have had bad doctors/psychiatrists, hence your pessimism about them. Me?- i've had both good and bad but I don't question the 'art' of psychiatry. You are welcome to be pessimistic about doctors if you like, but I think it'd be better for you to stop focussing on this [pessimism] and instead try to get better in your own way. i mean, if you don't want to see a doctor - that's fine - don't. See how you can get by in your own way. it's no problem.

Take care,
Kevin

Kevin if I had to take a guess at your profession, I would guess that you work in that industry. Or perhaps are a psychiatrist yourself. I support what the OP wrote. It was poetic and there is TRUTH in that statement. The whole idea of being human is that the person experiencing what they are experiences is legitimate. Legitimate to their experience. So they have the right to state it as such. When Butterfly says "YOU CANT SAY THAT" he is taking away the legitimacy of their truth according to them. If Butterfly came on and stated his case from HIS EXPERIENCE then that's fine. State your experience, where you stand, but you *should* not be telling people that they "CAN AND CANT SAY".

I have seen your course of posts defending psychiatrists. That's fine, stand your ground. But don't tell someone "YOU CANNOT SAY THAT".

Because It shows that you disagree to the point of telling people what they can and cannot say. Plain and simple, that's just wrong.

Thank you for this response, killuminati. I am actually nowhere near being in the profession of psychiatry, and am actually doing a PhD in chemistry (with my backgrounds in computer science and biology). I respect everyone's opinion, however, and respect it. If I don't understand the opinion(s), then I try my best to understand them. The one issue I have is when someone's opinion is affecting others adversely. As I saw it, that was in danger of happening here (which is why I butted in).

What do you do yourself?

Take care,
Kevin

There is no one here that works in the industry at all.
We've all come here for support just like everyone else has.
Everyone will have experiences that are negative with doctors and how someone was treated, others like me have been lucky in getting treatment in that field and have been better because of it.

There's always going to be those who despise it- which is fine, but there will also be those who will defend it too.

I have a question - no disrespect to admins in general, but Butterfly, you are clearly marginalizing and devaluing the posts here (because you feel the need to "defend" psychiatrists). But this is the ANTI-Psych forum after all... posts are supposed to be of a persecutory nature. Nobody is being abused.

What you are doing, as the premier administrator, is the opposite of therapy for people who have had extremely poor experiences/abuse by psychiatrists.

I particularly like Kevin's approach to moderation; it is completely unbiased and fair. Anyone have thoughts on this?

Thanks Smacster, but I also understand Butterfly's approach here and accept it. In her defence, I would have to say that the way some people here criticise doctors is overboard. It is very possible to have a constructive argument against psychiatry, which some don't seem capable of having.

Kevin

Chucky wrote:Thanks Smacster, but I also understand Butterfly's approach here and accept it. In her defence, I would have to say that the way some people here criticise doctors is overboard. It is very possible to have a constructive argument against psychiatry, which some don't seem capable of having.

Kevin

While I acknowledge your point to be valid, immaturity is not a rule-breaker, and as many people who are "Anti-Psych" are teenagers or young adults with childish mentality, it should not be used as an excuse for said actions.

Chucky wrote:Thanks Smacster, but I also understand Butterfly's approach here and accept it. In her defence, I would have to say that the way some people here criticise doctors is overboard. It is very possible to have a constructive argument against psychiatry, which some don't seem capable of having.

Kevin

And I would have to say that the way some people here defend psychiatrists is overboard. The problem is not every post is going to be OR is meant to be a constructive argument. And this should be a welcome place for that. Part of the problem with psychiatry today is that it treats its patients more scientifically then individually. This is a highly emotional topic. Some of the posts are just going to be expressions of the experience. Or artistic expression in this case. For some, people can't even see the artistic merit and want to just rush to defend the psychiatrists point of view.

A Moderator is supposed to moderate content such as foul language, abusive language, abusive posts...not the opinions of a post.

Smacster wrote:I have a question - no disrespect to admins in general, but Butterfly, you are clearly marginalizing and devaluing the posts here (because you feel the need to "defend" psychiatrists). But this is the ANTI-Psych forum after all... posts are supposed to be of a persecutory nature. Nobody is being abused.

What you are doing, as the premier administrator, is the opposite of therapy for people who have had extremely poor experiences/abuse by psychiatrists.

I particularly like Kevin's approach to moderation; it is completely unbiased and fair. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I'm not devaluing it at all I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter.
I'm not responding as an admin when responding, I'm responding as a member.


If you have a question in the future with misunderstanding a post or comment you are welcome to pm me.
Getting others to likely attack me in the open forums for my opinion will get the topic closed because that will cause likely disputes.

Again you misread what I was posting about in the forum, i wouldn't devalue a post on what someone thinks.
Everyone is aloud their 2 cents in posts, that's the way I write I'm not going to change it, but I mean no offense at all. If it was taken that way then it shouldn't be, it's easier to misinterpret the way someone posts when you cannot see a face or hear the words yourself.

Take care.

killuminati wrote:
A Moderator is supposed to moderate content such as foul language, abusive language, abusive posts...not the opinions of a post.

Mods and Admins are also members of the site and have been long before the volunteered to moderate or admin. They have a right just like anyone else to post.... We also as staff do post when we are struggling and would like support from others... we aren't here just to moderate.

And Chucky is right some people have gone overboard in the doctor department... but that's to be expected on a forum like this.

This forum was created for this, but everyone has a right to respond.
Not everyone is going to like responses to their posts in here and everywhere else.
But everyone is aloud to respond whether they are staff or member.

Am I Allowed to ask you what your dx is, Butterfly?