25 GOOD REASONS WHY PSYCHIATRY MUST BE ABOLISHED

ddee wrote:But there are test, Such as MRI's and Catscan that do show certain disorders to the brain, such as bipolar and schizophrenia, by lobe swelling, and function heat. Hallucinations are not of the norm. If the patient is truthful. I do agree meds can cause problems too that were not there before. yes. I have experienced this too.

ddee,

Thanks very much for your honest and heartfelt post.

I would like to point out that the brain scans you refer to are not conclusive. I have read many articles where scientist debunks these so-called brain anomalies as inconclusive. Some say this is conclusive proof that anti psychotic medication causes brain damage. It's a very controversial issue. I can provide articles that demonstrate these brain scan findings mean nothing!

Logically, I cannot even consider thoughts feelings and behavior as an illness.

Have you ever read any Wittgenstein?

Do you know his theory about "Linguistic determinism" and how language limits our ability to think of new concepts?

I'm not prepared to explain the entire hypothesis here (it would take forever) so here’s a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_determinism

Wittgenstein also argues that to say we can have this but not that is illogical.

I am a follower of Anarcho-primitivism, I don't believe in many of our cultural norms, beliefs and values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism

I do not hallucinate and I do not adhere to consensus reality
either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality

My above philosophy for life is the rational psychiatry has used labels me SZ and forcefully drugs me in the past.

ddee, any wise person will tell you reality is totally arbitrary and ever changing. Don't be so confident you have disease called bi polar. It may turn out in the future that bi polar was a very healthy way to react to an extremely unhealthy world.

ddee wrote:But there are test, Such as MRI's and Catscan that do show certain disorders to the brain, such as bipolar and schizophrenia, by lobe swelling, and function heat. Hallucinations are not of the norm. If the patient is truthful. I do agree meds can cause problems too that were not there before. yes. I have experienced this too.

ddee,

Thanks very much for your honest and heartfelt post.

I would like to point out that the brain scans you refer to are not conclusive. I have read many articles where scientist debunks these so-called brain anomalies as inconclusive. Some say this is conclusive proof that anti psychotic medication causes brain damage. It's a very controversial issue. I can provide articles that demonstrate these brain scan findings mean nothing!

Logically, I cannot even consider thoughts feelings and behavior as an illness.

Have you ever read any Wittgenstein?

Do you know his theory about "Linguistic determinism" and how language limits our ability to think of new concepts?

I'm not prepared to explain the entire hypothesis here (it would take forever) so here’s a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_determinism

Wittgenstein also argues that to say we can have this but not that is illogical.

I am a follower of Anarcho-primitivism, I don't believe in many of our cultural norms, beliefs and values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism

I do not hallucinate and I do not adhere to consensus reality
either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality

My above philosophy for life is the rational psychiatry has used labels me SZ and forcefully drugs me in the past.

ddee, any wise person will tell you reality is totally arbitrary and ever changing. Don't be so confident you have disease called bi polar. It may turn out in the future that bi polar was a very healthy way to react to an extremely unhealthy world.

This may very well hold true, My cats showed highly active temporal lobe activety during my manic stages. But then again, maybe I'm just absolutely brilliant. LOL.

It is ironic how I can go from manic, and highly intellectual and have heightened cognitive skills and preminitions, to depressed and almosted have no cognition at all. ( As in being dislectic, no long term memory of names or dates, etc.).

When I go beyond manic to psychosis, I do see things that are not there. They seem so real, but don't move, or talk. I have to walk up to them and my hand goes right thru them, and they vanish. This happened as well as they cat scan way before I was ever on antipsychotics tho. Not to condradict you , just to let you know my experience. I have had alot of head injuries from abuse tho. This could be a reason for the temporal swelling, but not for the heat, showing???

anyway, thank you for writing back. I appreciate it and all the links I will check them out.

Have a great one, ddee ,8

ddee,

Just to clarify,

I've seen stuff, I had hallucinated on LSD, mushrooms etc so I understand whats causing them. If I hadn't I'd feel ripped off.

I also had a near death experience, that was no hallucination. That experience has turned me into who I am today and has been the major contributing factor for my sceptisim on our cultures narrow minded view on whats what.

sadgurl,

I still hope to get a response from the above post I wrote to you.

I try very hard to stay open minded on every thing, and what you said about bipolar. would be so nice.

I'm not so convinced that everything I've read and been told about it is true. About it being hereditary, etc. I hope that one day you are right.

I just read in another forum about a man who could cure sz and bipolar , hmm, I learn something new everyday, and take it all in and keep what I need.

I appreciate all your positive feedback, and hope you continue to educate and help us to understand your theories and knowledge on this subject.

The one thing I hope more than anything is a cure for all and everything, or at least a reason and an explaination without undue cost and fatalities.

I both agree and disagree with much of what has been posted here.

Psychiatry is not different than any other profession. Some are good, some not so good , and some should not be in the business. One fact that I see other and over again is that people do receive help from medication. I know many who have been on drugs for years and do well. I think the decision to use medication is a decision for the patient and the doctor.

Yes, I am against druging up our whole society as some people seem to want to do. As a drug addict I did not want to face the emotional pain of life. The drugs I tried gave me relief. Yes, they eventually caused many big problems, but the fact remains that they did work for a time. I believe that most people need some sort of drug to cope with life. Here I'm thinking of smoking and drinking coffee and soft drinks. Also, alcohol has been used throughout history. All of these are drugs that help us cope with life--make us feel better even though we may be in a difficult situtaion. However, the problem, as I see it, is that some of us go overboard with these drugs that others can safely use for years--even a lifetime. It may very well be that science is close to developing safe drugs for most everyone. I don't know, but I see many satisfied consumers. It seems that everyone wants to feel good, so if a pill makes them feel better they want to take it. There are althernative methods to deal with emotional pain, but all take more time and effort then just popping a pill.
James

ddee wrote:
The one thing I hope more than anything is a cure for all and everything, or at least a reason and an explaination without undue cost and fatalities.

ddee,

Homosexuality was once deemed a serious mental illness. Homosexuals were drugged, restrained, had ECT performed on them to treat their mental illness,

I believe it was in 1973 after years of intense lobbying by the gay rights movement and with the stroke of a pen homosexuality was removed from the list of psychiatric disorders and four million homosexuals were instantly cured.

Psychiatry is subjective rubbish and in time it will be viewed this way.

The Devil wrote:with the stroke of a pen homosexuality was removed from the list of psychiatric disorders and four million homosexuals were instantly cured.

How can psychiatry be subjective rubbish when four million people were cured?

If they tear up the D.S.M. will we all be cured!

Very good read.. I'm glad this site has the anti-psych board. I got banned from another site recently due to my anti-psych views.( I will agree it seems to work for some though )

Funny how a "disorder" gets removed or added as culture dictates, eh?

It isn't just homosexuality (when remains in not only cultural, bot also scientific debate--chemical toxins show in other animals to effect hormone production/regulation...I digress) but other conditions such as ADHD or schizophrenia. There is a large culture which supports a view of schizophrenic behaviour not as symptoms of an illness but as evidence of spirituality.

Some cultures have taken a stance that deviance from social norms is sole criteria for diagnosis of illness. I would analogize this to labeling someone born with six fingers or only one arm as unhealthy. They aren't. They just have different physical make-ups.

Ah, a key word. Make-up. The parts, not the whole. The covering, not the subsurfaces.

I do maintain that such a thing as mental illness arrises and can often be restored to mental health. I just lament the worldview of mental illness that I have too often encountered. I have met a few doctors who are not so quick to judge, categorize and label. The rare few who have concern for and work toward the restoration of health. I am glad of those.

Moss