Do doctors seem very self-righteous`

Uberfrau wrote:

whero wrote:Specifically Psychs. From my experience they seem to need a strong backbone to tell others they are crazy???

I think,just as in any profession,there are good,average and poor doctors and psyche's. Unfortunately it's often down to luck whether you get a good or bad one.If you do get a good one I think it can be very beneficial. I think it's important that there is no arrogance whether it be from the psyche or the patient.

Ok, but the fact is that a gardener is going to be a quiet mexican who does his best while a pysch is going to be a degree arrogant asshole. You´ve never seen the million times on TV that you see a drunk pilot or a garage dirty mechanic. I never said ¨good, bad normal¨ I was talking about their PERSONALITY.

I think it's more a case of them just not caring so much. Mostly they are concerned with not getting into trouble for a patient freaking out and hurting someone. So they tend to drug their patients up so they can't do anything. Then if their patient does something they can say they had the guy drugged up so they are covered. I actually had a shrink admit this to me when I was locked up in a psych hospital for punching a child molester. Her fist tactic was to tell you if you didn't take the drugs she would drag you to court and get an order to have it forced. When that didn't work she tried this approach.

The question that always has been on my mind about Psychiatrists is what motivates them to chose psychiatry as their specialty within the medical profession. I would think someone who wants to be an MD would be interested in being a general practicioner, neurosurgeon, or what have you.

I figure they go to med school and find out that they're no good at anything because they're to stupid. So they choose the easiest thing. As a shrink all you do is listen to someone talk for an hour and give him a pill.

I work at a psych hospital and when med students come in I tell them to get into a useful field - hair transplant surgery.

Parador wrote:I think it's more a case of them just not caring so much. Mostly they are concerned with not getting into trouble for a patient freaking out and hurting someone. So they tend to drug their patients up so they can't do anything. Then if their patient does something they can say they had the guy drugged up so they are covered. I actually had a shrink admit this to me when I was locked up in a psych hospital for punching a child molester. Her fist tactic was to tell you if you didn't take the drugs she would drag you to court and get an order to have it forced. When that didn't work she tried this approach.

The question that always has been on my mind about Psychiatrists is what motivates them to chose psychiatry as their specialty within the medical profession. I would think someone who wants to be an MD would be interested in being a general practicioner, neurosurgeon, or what have you.

I figure they go to med school and find out that they're no good at anything because they're to stupid. So they choose the easiest thing. As a shrink all you do is listen to someone talk for an hour and give him a pill.

I work at a psych hospital and when med students come in I tell them to get into a useful field - hair transplant surgery.

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to label psychiatrists as stupid. I would infer that MD's, regardless of their discipline, are of higher intelligence than the average individual. Getting admited to medical school, qualifying for graduation, and passing the medical boards etc are not easy. MD candidates are educated in the sciences and must have a very high undergraudate grade point average and high scores on entrance exams to even be competitive for admissions.

Within the cadre , however, there are various levels of competency and expertise. I would guess pyschiatrists are near the bottom in relation to their peers. Again, I am not saying all pyshciatrists were forced into the field due to the lack of other residency options -- some top performers might just have an interest in the field. It's just not a discipline that I believe ranks high on the list of potential disciplnes among medical school graduates. Most were likely forced into the slots because they did not posess the performance appraisals or accomplishments to get accepted into other , more desireable, residency programs.

So, I would not label any psychiatrist as stupid. Rather, I would say that, in general, they are intelligent individuals who, for whatever reason, were not the cream of the crop of their graduating class and were near the bottom.

Therapists, on the other hand....errr... Wait--don't get me started again.

I would infer that MD's, regardless of their discipline, are of higher intelligence than the average individual.

THHHHHHPPPPPT!!!! I knew a doctor who was so stupid he couldn't even notate a chess game correctly. he got kicked out of state years ago for molesting a 15 year old female patient. I think there are people who have the right connections in life and they get a leg up. They can be total morons and become doctors, lawyers or rich businessmen. I resent it. I had to bust my ass just to get a foodservice manager job.

If you've known people who pursue MD's from when they were kids (as I have), perhaps there's a psychiatric evaluation evidenced in their history.

Often people pursue paths of power out of weakness, or positions of authority out of insecurity. People who crave domination and power are disordered, and have no place in medicine. Certainly there's a tradition left over from the 50's of the male doc who is an unquestioned authority, and won't accept even questions.

One entire category of doctors I deeply question, speaking as a man, is the phenomenon of male gynecologists-- what's that about??

There are those who purse medical careers out of genuine compassion and a desire to help. This is an exciting time to be in medicine, thanks to technology and advanced research. But how many become doctors in order to impress their parents?

Medicine leads also to other forms of abuse. Unfortunately medicine is an industry, heavily corporate, a huge part of our GDP. This is power and power corrupts. The corporate model promotes the manufacture of sales and demand. Profits in the medical industry are achieved not by curing disease, but by maintaining and treating it, diagnosing and categorizing disorders (while ignoring others, like chronic Lyme disease, perhaps to lower insurance claims?).

Perhaps this is why we've not had cures for cancers; It's more profitable to sell chemo drugs than cure cancers, but I digress (and those fishing for paranoids just saw their radar jump).

I know someone who had Lyme disease. They misdiagnosed her as psychotic and forced neuroleptics on her.

Yes. They don't even keep their records straight, pretend like they know you when they can't even remember basic things about your case, and make a lot of mistakes that they never admit to. I've had horrible psychiatric care from numerous doctors and I'm starting to think you have to pay lots of money to get any real care.

I'm not sure even that would do any good. Look at the medical care Michael Jackson got. He paid a lot for it. And the cosmetic surgery too - he couldn't have wanted to look like that?!!

dbx wrote:pdocs don't have any special talents nor are they better than someone who has done his reading/study on mental issues. They have this delusion that they know better, but if you put a pdoc next to someone who's been interested in mental issues and has out of personal interest read/studied a lot about it, you won't be able to tell the difference between the two. Being a pdoc is great I guess. You have power over the mind of the patient and you decide if the patient has some mental issues or is out right crazy, it's not the patient who decides this. Crazy people can't tell they're crazy, right? If the patient resists, in extreme cases you again have the power over him/her to control him and decide what's "good" for the patient, even though you can't really look inside his mind to see/tell what's really going on. pdocs have gained so much power through out the history of psychiatry, that they are present in every corner of society, from politics and law down to everyday things. A judge will very often listen to a pdoc, even if the pdoc may have no clue what's going on with the person and only THINKS what may be wrong, but is absolutely unsure.

Being a pdoc is great. Not only you get a fat salary, but you also have close ties to the pharma industry and lobbying pharma salesmen

Yes, I agree.

k99 wrote:doctors are very self righteous and have enormous egos, especially male doctors, I dont trust any of them, where as I used to think they were one of the few honorable professions

and yea most or all psychiatric doctors are quacks by nature, they dont like being told all mental illnesses and all these drugs are a bunch of crap, it kind of puts their 10 years of schooling and their $500,000 salarys in perspective, they would like to stay in the ultimate denial, they are worse then priests

Also agree to it, at all!

ThisIsMe wrote:

The question that always has been on my mind about Psychiatrists is what motivates them to chose psychiatry as their specialty within the medical profession. I would think someone who wants to be an MD would be interested in being a general practicioner, neurosurgeon, or what have you.

They are motivated by their stupidity LOL

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to label psychiatrists as stupid.

You should

Parador wrote:I know someone who had Lyme disease. They misdiagnosed her as psychotic and forced neuroleptics on her.

That sucks!