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What psychiatry means by "antipsychotics are effective"

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What psychiatry means by "antipsychotics are effective"

Postby Theymakeyouwait » Tue May 09, 2023 3:56 pm

What psychiatry means by "antipsychotics are effective"

Note the stated benefit does not make adjustments for the half dozen + pro-drug flaws*, and biases* in the short term corporate studies.

A meta-analysis of short term (around 6 weeks) corporate antipsychotic studies tallied what the studies found was the change in PANSS scores in the "placebo" and drug groups post 2009 and pre 2009.

The change in scores in the drug group minus the change in scores in the placebo group was -8.6 before 2009. After 2009 the change was -5.8(1).

Here are some examples of how someone can see their scores decline(2).

-3 points if the person no longer has one or two vaguely held beliefs the psychiatrist finds unreasonable.

-3 points if the psych no long finds the person boastful

-4 points if the psychiatrist finds the person no longer distrustful

-4 points if the person is no longer irritable and has expressions of resentment towards the psychiatrist.

-4 points if the person no longer shows interpersonal distance from the psychiatrist.

-4 points if the psychiatrist no longer needs to have leading questions to get what they consider adequate responses.

-3 points if the psychiatrist finds the person no longer has "some rigidity in beliefs and attitudes"

-4 points if the person no longer complains about poor health to the psychiatrist.

-6 points if the patient now agrees they need psych "treatment"

Literally, the entire stated benefit of these drugs is equal to agreeing you need to take them. That is according to the studies done by the corporate psychiatrists selling the drugs.



*List of most of the pro-drug flaws and biases: withdrawal in the placebo group, active placebo effect, psychiatrist instead of patient rating, miscoding negative effects, publication bias, using other drugs to hide negative effects, short term time length, conflict of interest bias, and cherry picking the starting patients.



(1) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32141721/

(2) https://sitotapsy.com/wp-content/upload ... /panss.pdf
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