Many People Like to Be Psychiatry Slaves

Riccola wrote:
I agree- and I think that people being naive also plays a role. But then again I do not blame them for being so. On the outside there is absolutely nothing that indicates psychiatry as being corrupt or potentially dangerous. From the breath taking vestibules and manicured ground of some of the most notorious institutions to the sunny terms encompassing treatment one could not possibly conceive anything other than having been put forth by benevolent, loving human beings. But sadly some of those behind psychiatry are far from dumb choosing to use their knowledge to hide corruption, greed and human experimentation. Pharmaceutical companies deep down know the bulk of their profit rests in keeping myths alive, so they will lavishly fund public relations and the material used to mislead medical students. In short its nothing more then clever marketing playing off the trust of entire societies. They know how to get into the heads of people, they know how to get people to believe what they want them to believe and they know how how to get people to see what they want them to see. That along with programming a desired response should this ideological structure become challenged or risk being dismantled.

this quote expresses it so well.

Essentially they have drugs that ultimately kill their patients, but yet they insist they are helping and treating the patient.

They remove all human rights from the patient and treat them as a pet animal with no rights to refuse treatment, but they insist they are providing services for the patient and getting them the help they need.

It's going to be difficult to really do much about it. The best I know to do at this time is to keep spreading the word and staying far, far away from psychiatry myself.

Riccola wrote: Pharmaceutical companies deep down know the bulk of their profit rests in keeping myths alive, so they will lavishly fund public relations and the material used to mislead medical students.

If we can speculate if being naive means to be entirely innocent or not (i actually think not so much because many naive people really belied to some totalitarian leaders helping them to commit hideous crimes), I'm almost sure that medical students who chose psychiatry as their specialization really want to do obnoxious stuff from the very beginning of their carriers.
And why I'm thinking this way. My mother is a doctor, a specialist in clinical diagnostics. More chemist than a physician, making some blood and a lot of other tests. Remembering her first practice at medical school when she and the group of her fellow students was taken to the hospital to examine patients, she says that there was a man-patient who was asked to take off his underwear and show his gentiles to the students group by the hospital doctor who was in charge of the class. He probably had syphilis or gonorrhea. Seeing him undressing, she felt that that person experienced extreme shame and humiliation. She also strongly decided not to chose medical specialization which minimises as much as possible direct contact with patients. My mother also realised that health professionals have tremendous power over their patients.
After many years i found out that French philosopher Michel Facualt (he was born in medical family) studied the power of doctors over patient as a social phenomenon. But it was not a novelty for me. It seems that everybody who knows medicine form inside, even as little as i do, know about that fact.
So if a physician has some power over a patient, just imagine how much power has a psychiatrist over his patients! At least his power is not less than the power of a surgeon.
When I hear the stories of psychiatric asylums patients abuse i believe to that stories, because i know that people who have some power and can experience it in closed areas, such as military bases, prisons, remote households etc. often perform some horrendous atrocities. It is a part of human nature, it happens all over the place. One, man particularly, only thinking that he can terrorise or even torture somebody with impunity becomes very aggressive. He literary cannot refrain from making harm to a poor helpless person who under his control and power. Some behavioural scientist and animal psychologists say that this kind of behaviour is deeply enrooted in human nature and it is common to all species. Apes are keen to dominate and subdued weak members of their groups. Anyway, I consider that it as a well proven fact that humans, men chiefly, are very likely to pursue limitless power. Psychiatrists have great opportunities to do whatever they want in their prison style institutions.
And since the very first practices at medical schools students feel that. Those, who choose psychiatry, clearly understand what they are going to do and why.

Polozker wrote:
If we can speculate if being naive means to be entirely innocent or not (i actually think not so much because many naive people really belied to some totalitarian leaders helping them to commit hideous crimes), I'm almost sure that medical students who chose psychiatry as their specialization really want to do obnoxious stuff from the very beginning of their carriers.
And why I'm thinking this way. My mother is a doctor, a specialist in clinical diagnostics. More chemist than a physician, making some blood and a lot of other tests. Remembering her first practice at medical school when she and the group of her fellow students was taken to the hospital to examine patients, she says that there was a man-patient who was asked to take off his underwear and show his gentiles to the students group by the hospital doctor who was in charge of the class. He probably had syphilis or gonorrhea. Seeing him undressing, she felt that that person experienced extreme shame and humiliation. She also strongly decided not to chose medical specialization which minimises as much as possible direct contact with patients. My mother also realised that health professionals have tremendous power over their patients.

That is how empathetic people are weeded out. Those who see the system for what it is ultimately choose not to get involved leaving those who see little to no issue in everything that is wrong. While the following is nothing earth shattering, many 6 years ago I knew a guy who was in medical school. He decided to try psychiatry before becoming a pulmonologist and was briefly a student resident. He decided not to be because according to his words he had to be distant, indifferent, firm, and assertive when dealing with patients. Something he did not like being the social person that he was.

After many years i found out that French philosopher Michel Facualt (he was born in medical family) studied the power of doctors over patient as a social phenomenon. But it was not a novelty for me. It seems that everybody who knows medicine form inside, even as little as i do, know about that fact.
So if a physician has some power over a patient, just imagine how much power has a psychiatrist over his patients! At least his power is not less than the power of a surgeon.
When I hear the stories of psychiatric asylums patients abuse i believe to that stories, because i know that people who have some power and can experience it in closed areas, such as military bases, prisons, remote households etc. often perform some horrendous atrocities. It is a part of human nature, it happens all over the place. One, man particularly, only thinking that he can terrorise or even torture somebody with impunity becomes very aggressive. He literary cannot refrain from making harm to a poor helpless person who under his control and power. Some behavioural scientist and animal psychologists say that this kind of behaviour is deeply enrooted in human nature and it is common to all species. Apes are keen to dominate and subdued weak members of their groups. Anyway, I consider that it as a well proven fact that humans, men chiefly, are very likely to pursue limitless power. Psychiatrists have great opportunities to do whatever they want in their prison style institutions.
And since the very first practices at medical schools students feel that. Those, who choose psychiatry, clearly understand what they are going to do and why.

The thing is, if you are a sadist or an authoritarian, you will gravitate to positions which let you exercise those behavioral and personality traits. Psychiatry is perhaps by far the best in 5 ways: 1. A doctor can force commit anyone he sees fit without trial or evidence, only by his opinion. 2. institutions can engage in many cruel and abusive treatments underneath the cloak of medicine irregardless of its effectiveness or necessity. 3. Any reports of abuse by the patient can be silenced through labeling it as being part of the illness itself ie 'they just see it that way' 'they are expressing delusions'. 4. Psychiatrists are respected and believed by many including the court system. 5. There is little evidence of wrong doing. Everything takes place behind closed doors and true abuses are not documented. In the few cases where patients have the money and grounds to sue, its difficult to prove the whole picture as the bulk of it is anecdotal. In short intuitions can do as they please without repercussion.

But- I do agree. Even if you take well intended people and place them in an environment with a strong power balance the worst is possible of becoming a reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment

epthe wrote:
this quote expresses it so well.

Essentially they have drugs that ultimately kill their patients, but yet they insist they are helping and treating the patient.

Some of these drugs have absolutely horrific side effects and court cases have proven so. Although my understanding being in many cases they settle out of court on the grounds of none discloser- which would make sense if they don't want to air out dirty laundry.

They remove all human rights from the patient and treat them as a pet animal with no rights to refuse treatment, but they insist they are providing services for the patient and getting them the help they need.

It's going to be difficult to really do much about it. The best I know to do at this time is to keep spreading the word and staying far, far away from psychiatry myself.

Worse then a pet in some cases. But here is the thing: the most vocal people are ex-patients, and I think that is what matters. Little by little the truth will come out. Remember that lobotomy and a large number of disabling treatments just 40 years ago are no more. Long term involuntary commitment has gone down for those who do not need it. Things are improving as they become public.

When I talk to people about mental illness and or human beings living in a ghetto etc. etc. etc... They are brainwashed about these and many more subjects that they have only a feel good knowledge of the subject, not a down to earth personal experience of said subject matter. I TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE BRAINWASHED AND UNTIL THEY HAVE LIVED AND OR WORKED IN A GHETTO AND OR MENTAL HEALTH WARD ETC... THEY DON'T KNOW SH.. ...

Riccola wrote:Worse then a pet in some cases. But here is the thing: the most vocal people are ex-patients, and I think that is what matters. Little by little the truth will come out. Remember that lobotomy and a large number of disabling treatments just 40 years ago are no more. Long term involuntary commitment has gone down for those who do not need it. Things are improving as they become public.

My opinion is that they just changed their procedures,but they still have the same purpose and they still can obtain what they want.
Some drugs are like lobotomy,but taking a pill seems kinder than having a lobotomy or electroschock.
It's not so important that long term involuntary commitment has gone down beacuse they can control your life as they want,even if you're at your home.
Many people think that these days psychiatry is more 'human'in comparison with the past,but it's simply more sly and subtle.

solong wrote:

Riccola wrote:Worse then a pet in some cases. But here is the thing: the most vocal people are ex-patients, and I think that is what matters. Little by little the truth will come out. Remember that lobotomy and a large number of disabling treatments just 40 years ago are no more. Long term involuntary commitment has gone down for those who do not need it. Things are improving as they become public.

My opinion is that they just changed their procedures,but they still have the same purpose and they still can obtain what they want.
Some drugs are like lobotomy,but taking a pill seems kinder than having a lobotomy or electroschock.
It's not so important that long term involuntary commitment has gone down beacuse they can control your life as they want,even if you're at your home.
Many people think that these days psychiatry is more 'human'in comparison with the past,but it's simply more sly and subtle.

I agree that it is, because the 100 year old belief of brain disablement and biochemical imbalances remain unchanged. All that has changed is how that image is sold to patients and the public.