Many People Like to Be Psychiatry Slaves

Today i had pretty intensive discussion about psychiatry at Richard Dawkins Facebook community. I chose to debate if psychiatry is a science at that group because it seemed to be made of reasonable people who like question some general truths.
But on the contrary, i've faced a very strong wave of rejection! Those, the scientific guys, as a single chorus were repeating again and again that psychiatry is a science without any argumentation and I'm a bloody fool to doubt in that status.
I find the way how people defend the institution which can make them so much haem to be pretty funny. I wonder if people had been protecting inquisition so passionately in the middle ages or were they wiser?
Anyway it is also pretty depressive. People all over the world are so brainwashed that they welcome their slaughter. It is hard to do anything against this state of thing.

Sadly what you experienced is the norm.

The general public has been so thoroughly brainwashed and indoctrinated into the world of psychiatry that very few people who have not personally experienced the horrors of psychiatric drugs will even listen to us.

The main position I try to get across to people anymore is that it should be a matter of choice. There should be no forced drugging. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone important will ever listen to me.

That leaves only one option--- just be very careful what you say. There are no blood tests or xrays or any scientific objective tests to prove you have a mental illness. They base their diagnosis entirely on what you say to them and what your parents tell them. Never say anything they can use to take away your freedom and force you to take drugs against your will. And if the worst case scenario happens and they start attempting to get you on court ordered treatment, get a private attorney to fight your case in court. Their free public defenders are absolutely worthless. They make no real attempt to keep you off court ordered treatment. As far as I know the public defender I had never won a single case and pretty much put up no fight at all. It wasn't until I got a private attorney that things turned around.

Interestingly, my parents paid for the attorney, but it was my parents who unwittingly got the whole thing going in the first place because they got talked into it by a psychiatrist and by the local NAMI support group. NAMI is a huge supporter of forced drugging.

epthe wrote:Sadly what you experienced is the norm.

The main position I try to get across to people anymore is that it should be a matter of choice. There should be no forced drugging. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone important will ever listen to me.

We must understand very clearly that the forced drugging is only the top of the iceberg. As T. Szasz noted in his "Myth of Mental Illness" society teaches people to by historic. It also teaches to turn to psychiatrist wherever you have some mental and emotional problems. It teaches that by means of media repeating again in again in numerous forms that the psychiatry is the only solution of some psychological disturbances. This ideology produces the stereotype of voluntary agreement to psychiatric treatment. Before entering psychiatric ward or accept some medications people believe that they will be helped, and there is no danger in those places and activities.
Just imagine what would happen if people were thinking differently! Psychiatry influence and power would dramatically dwindle or even disappear like religion which almost has no influence in some countries.

epthe wrote:They base their diagnosis entirely on what you say to them and what your parents tell them. Never say anything they can use to take away your freedom and force you to take drugs against your will.

I think one of the greatest achievements of the American democracy in the legislation which commands cops to inform detainees that everything that they say might be used against them and they have the right to stay silent.
The deceptive psychiatrists never say such a thing. They never inform about legal consequences of their help, which in many cases means lifetime restrictions for many kinds of social activity, which happens in many countries varying just according to local legislations. Otherwise being informed many people would think thousand times before saying a single word to a psychiatrist.
That is one of the main reasons i think that they are a bunch of swindlers and liars who deceive naive people.

Polozker wrote:Today i had pretty intensive discussion about psychiatry at Richard Dawkins Facebook community. I chose to debate if psychiatry is a science at that group because it seemed to be made of reasonable people who like question some general truths.
But on the contrary, i've faced a very strong wave of rejection! Those, the scientific guys, as a single chorus were repeating again and again that psychiatry is a science without any argumentation and I'm a bloody fool to doubt in that status.
I find the way how people defend the institution which can make them so much haem to be pretty funny. I wonder if people had been protecting inquisition so passionately in the middle ages or were they wiser?
Anyway it is also pretty depressive. People all over the world are so brainwashed that they welcome their slaughter. It is hard to do anything against this state of thing.

I can understand how you feel. I have been in those type of discussions many times. I have lost reputation in the process, been called a mental illness denier, lacking empathy, not thinking scientifically... all the way up to having done no research or having no experience with mental health. The list goes. The irony is that some of those discussions actually took place around individuals questioning reality or criticizing the world as it is. In your case being centered around Richard Dawkins I can see that as the ultimate irony.

When I started to realize what psychiatry was really doing to me, the animosity I received for questioning it only pushed me further into the anti-psych realm. It did tremendous emotional damage, because I was not only dealing with a system that was either not helping or inflicting pain for already being in pain, but society turned their back on me for stating my own observations. I had absolutely no safe place to talk about it.

But at times I look at it like this: Its safe to say not one of those people have even been psychiatric patients or worked in the system to form their own opinion. People only have media and drug company influenced propaganda to go by. People live with a false understanding rooted in emotion with nothing else to counter balance that.

If it helps I am sorry you had to be part of that discussion.

Polozker wrote:

epthe wrote:Sadly what you experienced is the norm.

The main position I try to get across to people anymore is that it should be a matter of choice. There should be no forced drugging. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone important will ever listen to me.

We must understand very clearly that the forced drugging is only the top of the iceberg. As T. Szasz noted in his "Myth of Mental Illness" society teaches people to by historic. It also teaches to turn to psychiatrist wherever you have some mental and emotional problems. It teaches that by means of media repeating again in again in numerous forms that the psychiatry is the only solution of some psychological disturbances. This ideology produces the stereotype of voluntary agreement to psychiatric treatment. Before entering psychiatric ward or accept some medications people believe that they will be helped, and there is no danger in those places and activities.
Just imagine what would happen if people were thinking differently! Psychiatry influence and power would dramatically dwindle or even disappear like religion which almost has no influence in some countries.

epthe wrote:They base their diagnosis entirely on what you say to them and what your parents tell them. Never say anything they can use to take away your freedom and force you to take drugs against your will.

I think one of the greatest achievements of the American democracy in the legislation which commands cops to inform detainees that everything that they say might be used against them and they have the right to stay silent.
The deceptive psychiatrists never say such a thing. They never inform about legal consequences of their help, which in many cases means lifetime restrictions for many kinds of social activity, which happens in many countries varying just according to local legislations. Otherwise being informed many people would think thousand times before saying a single word to a psychiatrist.
That is one of the main reasons i think that they are a bunch of swindlers and liars who deceive naive people.

This is probably their Achilles heel. Psychiatry is so subjective and unscientific that they have no objective way of diagnosing mental illness. No blood tests, no xrays, no lab tests. It is purely based on what you say to them and what others say you said or did.

And yes, I agree, about how much damage a diagnosis does to your future job prospects, earning potential, and your future social standing. Many jobs are now forever off limits. Hell, I'm currently working part-time at a local movie theatre and I only got this job because I knew one of the guys who works here from high school.

If I had known then what I know now, and if my parents had realized what a nightmare this would turn out to be, and how limiting this diagnosis has become for me, I think I would have stayed far away from psychiatry, and never looked to them for any help.

That's the word to get out there is that they don't have your best interest at heart and all they will end up doing is ruining your life and damaging your health.

Riccola wrote:If it helps I am sorry you had to be part of that discussion.

Thank you for support, Riccola, your words are very important for me.

Riccola wrote:But at times I look at it like this: Its safe to say not one of those people have even been psychiatric patients or worked in the system to form their own opinion. People only have media and drug company influenced propaganda to go by. People live with a false understanding rooted in emotion with nothing else to counter balance that.

I believe Fraudean explanation of the trust in god works there. Freud interpreted the idea of god as an image of a strong almighty father who can understand and protect their weak and helpless children. According to Freud, people need such image to live though the life full of pain, sorrows, and severe regulations.
Since there is no god in our secular societies, people need some substitutions, one of which is psychiatry. Psychiatrist plays a role of helping father because he allegedly saves people form their emotional disturbances by a very very simple method: giving magic pills which ostensibly solve all the problems. It is easy: no need to work hard developing some understanding or self-discipline like yogis do, just take a medicine and become entirely happy. Incidentally, the TV advertisements of psychiatric drugs send that message in a very primitive explicite way: take the drug and all your troubles will go away immediately.
I think that is the reason why people like psychiatry. Following T. Szasz we must admit that people don't like to be mature and realise that life is an arduous journey full of troubles and pains and nothing could be done about it, at least even the richest person cannot escape death.
This is my Freudian style hypothesis why people like psychiatry.
By the way, i noticed that psychiatrists like to evaluate others, but they don't judge themselves. Since they are a bunch of swindlers from my perspective they extremely dislike others to understand what they are doing, to make some researches about their "science". They want people to bite their stuff without any criticism, exactly like priests in the past.

Polozker wrote:people all over the world are so brainwashed that they welcome their slaughter. It is hard to do anything against this state of thing.

The topic reminds me of this webpage that was so well written but sadly only exists in the web archive now. I have often tried to imitate its in your face style when I write about psychiatry. Or maybe I like it cause it was already my style.


When I write about the broken identity of those who internalize their psychiatric labels, I am talking about people who tend to LOVE their labels... The construct of “mental illness” has infected these people so deeply that they no longer see the idea as something separate from themselves. The label has become a part of who they believe that they are. http://web.archive.org/web/20120607010903/http://bipolarbabbling.wordpress.com/

epthe wrote:Hell, I'm currently working part-time at a local movie theatre and I only got this job because I knew one of the guys who works here from high school.

I think that is a good start. There are thousands of carear opportunities in spite of diagnosis. There are tens of thousands of freelance internet jobs, jobs in "real" small businesses, freelance "real" jobs etc.
Sincerely speaking I'd be happy to be a construction pro, bricklayer or electrician building private houses. Those who do that stuff well, have good reputation are always demanded at that market and clients give a $#%^ on diagnosis. There is also a lot of cash in that market, so no need to pay any taxes.
And i believe those who work in this kind of jobs feel much freer than those working in large corporations, such as Samsung or Apple, for there is almost military discipline in such places, people watch one another etc.

Polozker wrote:

epthe wrote:Hell, I'm currently working part-time at a local movie theatre and I only got this job because I knew one of the guys who works here from high school.

I think that is a good start. There are thousands of carear opportunities in spite of diagnosis. There are tens of thousands of freelance internet jobs, jobs in "real" small businesses, freelance "real" jobs etc.
Sincerely speaking I'd be happy to be a construction pro, bricklayer or electrician building private houses. Those who do that stuff well, have good reputation are always demanded at that market and clients give a $#%^ on diagnosis. There is also a lot of cash in that market, so no need to pay any taxes.
And i believe those who work in this kind of jobs feel much freer than those working in large corporations, such as Samsung or Apple, for there is almost military discipline in such places, people watch one another etc.

Interestingly, one of my uncles is teaching me the electrician trade, so I will be able to find work in the construction and remodelling business. It is something that will always be in high demand, and they don't seem to care much about your background or resume, as long as you know how to do it.

Polozker wrote:
Thank you for support, Riccola, your words are very important for me.

Welcome and thank you for posting this in the first place. I think all of us at some point have encountered this, it helps to vent IMO.

I believe Fraudean explanation of the trust in god works there. Freud interpreted the idea of god as an image of a strong almighty father who can understand and protect their weak and helpless children. According to Freud, people need such image to live though the life full of pain, sorrows, and severe regulations.
Since there is no god in our secular societies, people need some substitutions, one of which is psychiatry. Psychiatrist plays a role of helping father because he allegedly saves people form their emotional disturbances by a very very simple method: giving magic pills which ostensibly solve all the problems. It is easy: no need to work hard developing some understanding or self-discipline like yogis do, just take a medicine and become entirely happy. Incidentally, the TV advertisements of psychiatric drugs send that message in a very primitive explicite way: take the drug and all your troubles will go away immediately.
I think that is the reason why people like psychiatry. Following T. Szasz we must admit that people don't like to be mature and realise that life is an arduous journey full of troubles and pains and nothing could be done about it, at least even the richest person cannot escape death.
This is my Freudian style hypothesis why people like psychiatry.
By the way, i noticed that psychiatrists like to evaluate others, but they don't judge themselves. Since they are a bunch of swindlers from my perspective they extremely dislike others to understand what they are doing, to make some researches about their "science". They want people to bite their stuff without any criticism, exactly like priests in the past.

I agree- and I think that people being naive also plays a role. But then again I do not blame them for being so. On the outside there is absolutely nothing that indicates psychiatry as being corrupt or potentially dangerous. From the breath taking vestibules and manicured ground of some of the most notorious institutions to the sunny terms encompassing treatment one could not possibly conceive anything other than having been put forth by benevolent, loving human beings. But sadly some of those behind psychiatry are far from dumb choosing to use their knowledge to hide corruption, greed and human experimentation. Pharmaceutical companies deep down know the bulk of their profit rests in keeping myths alive, so they will lavishly fund public relations and the material used to mislead medical students. In short its nothing more then clever marketing playing off the trust of entire societies. They know how to get into the heads of people, they know how to get people to believe what they want them to believe and they know how how to get people to see what they want them to see. That along with programming a desired response should this ideological structure become challenged or risk being dismantled.