Deprivation of Rights

Hi guys!
I really wonder how it works in democratic countries.
In Russia it works this way: one who has a kind of antisocial behaviour diagnosis (F 40 or something according to the latest WHO classification), also F 20 or something, i.e. schizophrenia and all its varieties, has no rights for:
a) driving license of any kind, bicycles only;
b) medical carear, and has some problems even entering medical university;
c) teaching at schools and high schools;
d) guns license;
e) any kind of jobs related to electricity, chemicals, heights, wood cutting etc.;
d) military ans police careers, of course.
Moreover, such person according to the resent laws of 2010s, has to inform every potential employer in the state sector about his/hers health status, which means to expose his or hers mental disorder.
In other words, it means that such individuals are badly deprived from significant civil rights so called mentally healthy people enjoy of, and classed by the state at least as a second class citizen.
In my understanding, that 19th century or even Dark ages kind legislation openly aims to destroy mentally ill people by excluding them from modern social life, but since I realize that there is no paradise on the planet, I suspect that it could be the same all over the world...

Developing that issue I'd like to add that anti-psychiatric movement and anti-psychiatric thought in a broad sense should not only focus on the psychiatric treatment methods, but also take into account that in many societies psychiatry servers as the bureaucratic tool of social oppression.
Labelling people, depriving its patients from various careers psychiatry assists to some powerful social circules (as a Marxist would say it helps for ruling class) to create new type of outcasts. In other words we observe a new type "medicalized" oppression.
For example, in Israel only those who served in the elite military units have good chances for successful political career traditionally, according to the "Foreign Affairs" magazine; and on the contrary, those who were classed as "mentally incapable for military service" are restricted in social activity dramatically. These Israelis are banned from medical career, although they can study at medical departments, any kind of job in the state sector even in the Israeli electric company etc.
Such approach leads inevitably to a "healthy" society, which means expulsion of certain kinds of people, "outside the wall", figuratively speaking.
A huge discussion could be held about the benefits and disadvantages of the "healthy" society. Only one aspect clear: it is not a humane, merciful society.

Who decides when a veteran is mentally unfit to carry a weapon? Right now, that decision comes from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, but a bill is gaining momentum in Washington, D.C. that could leave the decision up to a judge.

House passes Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/po ... ection-act

In other words, the VA’s regime is unconstitutional; inconsistent with the underlying statute; unsupported by science or empirical evidence establishing any link between financial acumen and the ability to safely and responsibly handle firearms; and harmfully stigmatizing. It also serves as a deterrent for vulnerable people who need help and benefits from seeking them.

In addition to all that, it presents the bitter irony of being targeted directly at the very people who bore the cost for the freedoms that all Americans enjoy.

The Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act would correct these deficiencies by ensuring that no beneficiary could be reported to NICS as a prohibited “mental defective” unless a judicial authority (such as a judge or magistrate) first determined the person to be a danger to self or others.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017031 ... s-veterans


Why the DMV Denied a Driver’s License to a Teen With Depression
Yahoo Parenting•September 11, 2015
A Texas teenager is raising awareness about mental illness as she speaks out about her recent experience at the DMV — in which her application for a driver’s license was initially halted when she disclosed her diagnosis of depression.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-the-dmv- ... 69167.html

I think if you check the yes box on any form that asks if you have been diagnosed with mental illness you also have a diagnosis of stupidity.

Its the same as asking "would you like fewer rights and more discrimination ?"
Yes ___ No ___

Copy_Cat wrote:The Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act would correct these deficiencies by ensuring that no beneficiary could be reported to NICS as a prohibited “mental defective” unless a judicial authority (such as a judge or magistrate) first determined the person to be a danger to self or others.

It sounds that a judge or other judicial authorities in the US can establish metal defectiveness state. In other words, judge is higher than a psychiatrist, so called professional in that field. Is that really so, or I miss something?

Copy_Cat wrote:I think if you check the yes box on any form that asks if you have been diagnosed with mental illness you also have a diagnosis of stupidity.

In the police states like Russia or Israel your checking means nothing, because the both states keep mental defective citizens database, which are being used in all necessary cases such as applying for driving licence etc.
Doesn't such federal database exist in the US?

Polozker wrote:In the police states like Russia or Israel your checking means nothing, because the both states keep mental defective citizens database, which are being used in all necessary cases such as applying for driving licence etc.
Doesn't such federal database exist in the US?

I don't think they have actual "databases" its just like google they can search a big pile of collected stuff and the search results from the big pile is the "list"

There is no database of people who take Xanax, but a quick search of medical insurance records just produced a "database" on everyone who takes Xanax, takes it legally anyway.

This crap on TV lately is just like WTF wiretaps... spying... smart TVs... I hope Trump kicks their ass ! DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!

Total Number of People Taking Psychiatric Drugs in the United States

0-1 Years 274,804
2-3 Years 370,778
4-5 Years 500,948

6-12 Years 4,130,340
13-17 Years 3,617,593
18-24 Years 5,467,615
25-44 Years 21,029,136
45-64 Years 28,143,196
65 Year + 17,404,930

Total Number of police

State and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million people on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.

Problem number one if they want to go after people diagnosed as mentally ill, they are vastly out numbered. Go ahead, do it, I dare you, send out a letter to the millions of people over 18 that since they are diagnosed with a mental illness and taking psychiatric drugs their right to travel and 2nd amendment is suspended or up for review. Imagine the reaction to that. Start printing the letters you scumbags, see what happens. 50 million letters, ya go ahead start printing.

Problem number two, the last thing the mutli muliti billion dollar pharmaceutical industry wants is people avoiding the doctor because the government will take away there rights. I would not be surprised at all if it was big pharma money that helped defend the veterans 2nd amendment, they consume billions of dollars worth of medication every year.

What this is really about is DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property. The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, ratified in 1791, asserts that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This amendment restricts the powers of the federal government and applies only to actions by it. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, declares,"[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (§ 1). This clause limits the powers of the states, rather than those of the federal government.

If the thread title is Deprivation of Rights (mental illness) The link I should post is this one http://psychrights.org/force_of_law.htm

No other website has more on the subject.

Polozker wrote:In the police states

For the first time in decades we have a president who is not a diagnosable psychopath.

Instead of secretly setting up crap to spy on our cell phones he is on Twitter calling out those assholes in front of the whole world for doing it.

Thank God that psycho bitch Hillary did not win, there would have been a civil war and those communist clowns we saw protesting Trump wouldn't last 24 hours against the people getting ready to defend our constitution.

We are going to be alright now.

Copy_Cat wrote:

Polozker wrote:This crap on TV lately is just like WTF wiretaps... spying... smart TVs...

You know thats ironic, but then again maybe not accidental. Those labelled "mentally ill" for decades have been talking about mass spying and covert surveillance against innocent people. And for decades through out the mental health profession such views were "delusions" and were often considered a major hallmark of mental illness all the way up to holding people in psychiatric institutions against their will. When one processes the whole scenario, what better way to discredit, oppress, and silence those who may shift public opinion away from intended norms?



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